festering IB's

[zabis]

The only two mirrors I found to be almost equal are the shammie and the archmage, and even there the shamie wins with multiple detaunts and runaway speed tactic.

Walk Between Worlds and Dissipating Hatred. Did I miss a change to the Archmage abilities?

[Azarael]

I think he's complaining about Whazat Behind You?!

[TenTonHammer]

shammies dont slot detaunt in t4 as there are simply other better tactic options you need to use

[SilverWF]

Care to elaborate on exactly how he's wrong? Actually disproving something makes it a lot easier for the rest of the people reading the thread to believe what you say.

I need to write nearly the same wall of text or even more
WH/WE - BAL and EW, also add here 50% AA speed tactic. By that WE ~= WH
BW/Sorc - 3rd tree BW>Sorc, 2nd tree BW>Sorc, 1st tree BW=Sorc. Overall BW >> Sorc
Magus/Engi - Engi>Magus, because of AA, AOE heal. Also, I didn't get about 3rd tree of Engi - he said "St" what does it mean? Strengh? Oh God, if yes I'll piss my pants off ><
SH/SW - SW >> SH at high tiers. At low tier SH a bit > SW but only because of bolstered pet.
Some words about gobbo tactic - it would NOT kill you.
Also, saying that Sham=Am makes me sick. Sham are better healer a bit than Am (and they both are healers for free slot "if we can't find any other healer class"), but Am is strongest roamer in the entire game and he is a TONS stronger than Sham.

[Azarael]

Magus/Engi - Engi>Magus, because of AA, AOE heal. Also, I didn't get about 3rd tree of Engi - he said "St" what does it mean? Strengh? Oh God, if yes I'll piss my pants off ><

Magus > Engi, because of resistance-based damagetypes.

[zabis]

Also, I didn't get about 3rd tree of Engi - he said "St" what does it mean? Strengh? Oh God, if yes I'll piss my pants off ><

Pretty sure "St" = Single-target

[Azarael]

Also, I didn't get about 3rd tree of Engi - he said "St" what does it mean? Strengh? Oh God, if yes I'll piss my pants off ><

Pretty sure "St" = Single-target

Doesn't make sense in context. He says two trees use Ballistic Skill and the third uses "ST".

[zabis]

In that case, "ST" might mean stupid troll?

[Morf]

Spoiler:

For someone who has played the game as long as you i would expect you to understand the difference between fester arrow and sorc/bw damage...If your not a dumbass you will notice a sorc or bw putting up a rotation on you at which point cleanse negates most of it or you have time to los/detaunt etc, with fester arrow you dont have this time as in most situations you are not going to be able to keep tabs on all 10+ enemies and what they are casting.
Also considering you played both sides im surprised you cannot see the difference of the 2 realms and how much easier it is to be successful playing order, stupid, biased or both ?

See this is where you and I will always disagree. Now this is only on the classes I have played but I find this to be true across the board.
Playing Order is a hell of a lot harder. Just about every class has a jumbled screwed up career trees on Order. The only two mirrors I found to be almost equal are the shammie and the archmage, and even there the shamie wins with multiple detaunts and runaway speed tactic.
WH/WE? Witch Elves win hands down and anyone who says otherwise has never played both classes to rr80. Crit tactic, ranged KD tactic, AoE KD, best opening burst damage in the game .... I can go on for hours. The only thing I would want on my WE that the WH has is a 50% armor debuff. THAT is all the WH has to be afraid of. He pops that on a target and a 6 man can melt said target in 2 gcd and all the healing in the world cant save them. Yet all I see in the forums is destro crying how the WE is useless and the WH OP. Really makes me wonder if these people are playing the same game.
BW/Sorc. Again, the career trees are better set up, the sorc rotation is easy and intuitive and a lot easier to get three abilities popping for crits that even detaunted allows for insta death.

Magus... pops a dot on you and still ticking off damage an hour later (exaggerated but that is what it feels like) and doesnt have to deal with stupid set ups like the engi has to do ballistic for 2 trees and ST for a third.

SH .... being saying this since pay servers; Runaway tactic, and squig continuous damage just way too much for an mdps to handle in most cases. I had to buy the speed tallies for my boots and pop speed pots from LoTD to keep up with SH and shamies.

Where are all these abilities on Order? And then you tell me order is OP and easier to play? Love ya man and you are awesome but you need to stop wearing those green tinted glasses.

And for the record YES one shot kills are wrong, but dammit to hell and back, can we fix the broken OP mechanics on destro too????? And not just on Order?????

Without typing a huge wall of text..what generally wins u a fight and where it differs between destro and order is CC, crits and pressure. Big advantage is crit, on live as a dps class you saved yourself 45 renown points by just playing order, sw crit tactic, kotbs 2 crit tactics and ib crit buff. CC and pressure, rkd makes a huge difference in both cases as does earthshatter, slice through and wings of heaven(best snare and anti zerg skill in the game imo), ID gives you great pressure on backlines, sl can be a gamechanger when used correctly( pls dont compare bad gas), pounce can provide great pressure also, this is just off the top of my head, then destro have 2 classes with a speed tactic and maraders.
Maybe when i get my shaman fully geared out i will play order again and ppl's opinion of "yada yada destro player wants nerf order yada yada" wont hold weight when i will still say the exact same things.

[Gobtar]

Shamans and Archmages will always the least favoured healer as long as they are unable to cleanse BW/Sorcs.