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Re: BUFF the BG already
Posted: Wed Jan 28, 2026 2:43 am
by RORquest
Florian90210 wrote: Tue Jan 27, 2026 11:23 am
I guess Gravord nerfed his own class dps just to get CDR thingy for his SC comp.
Do destro even have something powerful with 5 sec CD to really exploit it?
Yes
Squig herder can spam big bouncing
shaman can spam fotg
Black orc spam waaagh!
this was a deliberate nerf to greenskins/destruction
Re: BUFF the BG already
Posted: Wed Jan 28, 2026 6:49 pm
by Florian90210
RORquest wrote: Wed Jan 28, 2026 2:43 am
Yes
Squig herder can spam big bouncing
shaman can spam fotg
Black orc spam waaagh!
this was a deliberate nerf to greenskins/destruction
big bouncing is channel and 8 sec cd, it's not spammable.
BO's waagh is not really good damage ability and it's locked behind plans, so no huge advantage with CDR
fotg is the only good thing useful with CDR thingy.
Re: BUFF the BG already
Posted: Wed Jan 28, 2026 7:12 pm
by Sinisterror
Old 1 tank 1 Choppa 1 Sorc machine gun gameplay should be returned just a bit nerfed version. Change Lengthening the Shadow tactic to " Increase the radius of Infernal Wave and Pit of Shades by 33% " So its not 100ft machine gunning only 65ft. Man Shammy/Am was so much more fun when Fotg/Eov was usable while moving if you had right force/waaagh.
Re: BUFF the BG already
Posted: Thu Jan 29, 2026 6:04 am
by RORquest
Florian90210 wrote: Wed Jan 28, 2026 6:49 pm
RORquest wrote: Wed Jan 28, 2026 2:43 am
Yes
Squig herder can spam big bouncing
shaman can spam fotg
Black orc spam waaagh!
this was a deliberate nerf to greenskins/destruction
big bouncing is channel and 8 sec cd, it's not spammable.
BO's waagh is not really good damage ability and it's locked behind plans, so no huge advantage with CDR
fotg is the only good thing useful with CDR thingy.
big bouncing is channel 3secs by the time it ends you can cast again.... its spamable while fotwk is up
Bo's was good before changes
Fotg yeah its good , argue semantics more.
Re: BUFF the BG already
Posted: Thu Jan 29, 2026 11:58 am
by Sever1n
Heh so squigs can spam 360 aoe with 8sec cd, but all those years of screams was about nerf of lions 360 OP aoe with 13 sec cd with same damage. And let me guess bis msh armpen is near 80%? 15%dmg tactic+25% from loner, and healdebuff on demand+healing channel? So destro have better copy of lion that they dont wanna use, but demanded nerf of lion?) This is just precious. Interesting how long they still be under the radars.
Well atleast now we know where BG shine - gobbos best friend
Re: BUFF the BG already
Posted: Thu Jan 29, 2026 2:00 pm
by Florian90210
Sever1n wrote: Thu Jan 29, 2026 11:58 am
Heh so squigs can spam 360 aoe with 8sec cd, but all those years of screams was about nerf of lions 360 OP aoe with 13 sec cd with same damage. And let me guess bis msh armpen is near 80%? 15%dmg tactic+25% from loner, and healdebuff on demand+healing channel? So destro have better copy of lion that they dont wanna use, but demanded nerf of lion?) This is just precious. Interesting how long they still be under the radars.
Well atleast now we know where BG shine - gobbos best friend
Loonies guild were running MSH WBs but damage wasn't really impressive. I guess it was lack of procs for additional damage. But I saw 4 lions bypassing postern and wiping entire pug wb in spin and few cleaves.
Re: BUFF the BG already
Posted: Thu Jan 29, 2026 2:42 pm
by normanis
when ib can spam aoe like bg can? runes -etched axe?
bg got knock down because ib has it.
Re: BUFF the BG already
Posted: Thu Jan 29, 2026 3:40 pm
by Illuminati
Florian90210 wrote: Thu Jan 29, 2026 2:00 pm
Sever1n wrote: Thu Jan 29, 2026 11:58 am
Heh so squigs can spam 360 aoe with 8sec cd, but all those years of screams was about nerf of lions 360 OP aoe with 13 sec cd with same damage. And let me guess bis msh armpen is near 80%? 15%dmg tactic+25% from loner, and healdebuff on demand+healing channel? So destro have better copy of lion that they dont wanna use, but demanded nerf of lion?) This is just precious. Interesting how long they still be under the radars.
Well atleast now we know where BG shine - gobbos best friend
Loonies guild were running MSH WBs but damage wasn't really impressive. I guess it was lack of procs for additional damage. But I saw 4 lions bypassing postern and wiping entire pug wb in spin and few cleaves.
The proc's are a nice help. SHs also getting interrupted more often and it's difficult to get a full channel off. RetAlert + non-targeted interrupts are an issue.
Re: BUFF the BG already
Posted: Thu Jan 29, 2026 4:15 pm
by Florian90210
normanis wrote: Thu Jan 29, 2026 2:42 pm
bg got knock down because ib has it.
there were handful of changes between them.
IB got outgoing HD because BG has it.
BG's now willpower buff used to debuff cast time by 1 sec.
Re: BUFF the BG already
Posted: Mon Feb 02, 2026 10:07 pm
by Florian90210
Looking at original skills, now I wonder why Brutal smash became str buff when it's not fitting into anti-magic theme, why it got mirrored from IB's. (willpower buff fit though).
Also I am surprised that even on live IB had 2 str buffs in 2 skill trees.
There is definitely big room for improvements of both classes.