Return of Reckoning

vanbuinen77 wrote: Thu May 08, 2025 2:09 pm

live4treasure wrote: Thu May 08, 2025 12:54 pm

Brew wrote: Thu May 08, 2025 12:12 pm Has anyone mentioned how absolutely busted Guilty Soul is yet? I didn't read any of this thread just for context. Maybe tone down the hardest hitting ability in the game before you give dps WP more aoe.

It's a strong dot. It's just irrelevant how strong it is if the AoE output is subpar even with it in the picture.

Hey guys dont focus on this op stuff

‐------------------>look over here instead where we want more op stuff.

Uchoo wrote: Thu May 08, 2025 3:33 pm I really recommend you show evidence and your proofs if you're going to make statements like "50% less damage than mara depending on target gear!!"

That's not even close to true. I could go and test it but a Mara with WoM ticking and channeling Wrecking Ball is probably very close to WP with Guilty Soul, Soulfire, Smite Spam with Procs. Mara filling with Demos between Wrecking Balls is much lower. Sure, there's a utility argument.

I personally don't like your idea to rework Soulfire because it affects both ST & AoE. I like the idea of WP having something like DE and a movement speed buff/gap closer. However, WP has Sigmar's Shield which is kind of a mirror to DE, and you don't want DE, it just got nerfed into the ground for the.. 6th time?

Soulfire is not hard to use.

Spirit Damage on spam skills is probably a bad idea. They tried this with White Lion at one point and it was grossly overpowered. I'm sure that your vets told you about that. Bloodlord and BiS WP have a lot of pen anyways, not to mention the highest armor debuff in the game and can easily synergize with aoe debuffs for all of their damage.

If you're going to ask everyone who posts to elaborate or provide figures, it would look super stellar if you did to start with!

leftayparxoun wrote: Thu May 08, 2025 5:07 pm

Uchoo wrote: Thu May 08, 2025 3:33 pm I really recommend you show evidence and your proofs if you're going to make statements like "50% less damage than mara depending on target gear!!"

That's not even close to true. I could go and test it but a Mara with WoM ticking and channeling Wrecking Ball is probably very close to WP with Guilty Soul, Soulfire, Smite Spam with Procs. Mara filling with Demos between Wrecking Balls is much lower. Sure, there's a utility argument.

I personally don't like your idea to rework Soulfire because it affects both ST & AoE. I like the idea of WP having something like DE and a movement speed buff/gap closer. However, WP has Sigmar's Shield which is kind of a mirror to DE, and you don't want DE, it just got nerfed into the ground for the.. 6th time?

Soulfire is not hard to use.

Spirit Damage on spam skills is probably a bad idea. They tried this with White Lion at one point and it was grossly overpowered. I'm sure that your vets told you about that. Bloodlord and BiS WP have a lot of pen anyways, not to mention the highest armor debuff in the game and can easily synergize with aoe debuffs for all of their damage.

If you're going to ask everyone who posts to elaborate or provide figures, it would look super stellar if you did to start with!

I think they are referring to my calculations here and here.

I did a detailed analysis on 2h WP damage output of their AOE rotation per target vs the same targets as in my other calculations (here's the one for Mara and dw DOK).

Overall I examined a ton of builds (like 90+) with and without using Soulfire (GS focused, STR+WS, mixed, etc.).

And to save people a click, here's the results of the per target rotation for the best builds I ended up finding:


Rec (aka Halcite recommended build) ended up being the best and you can see how it performs here.