Return of Reckoning

Purples were hardly ever seen in live. rvr and sc currency drops will fix any drop issues. When rvr gear, rvr spec and sc weapons are available pve gear wont matter..

Telen wrote:Purples were hardly ever seen in live. When rvr gear, rvr spec and sc weapons are available it wont matter.

yes but that could be a long ways off.

Jaycub wrote: According to your numbers every 400 kills in a SC should yield 1 new blue item to the market, and every 8000 kills a new purple. And more than twice that number for kills in ORvR. Is there even 8000 players killed in a single day on this server in T2 SC?

>5% in SCs and 14% in RvR
>more than twice that number for kills in ORvR
Less than you meant?

xyeppp wrote:

Jaycub wrote: According to your numbers every 400 kills in a SC should yield 1 new blue item to the market, and every 8000 kills a new purple. And more than twice that number for kills in ORvR. Is there even 8000 players killed in a single day on this server in T2 SC?

>5% in SCs and 14% in RvR
>more than twice that number for kills in ORvR
Less than you meant?

ya I was thinking in terms of items dropped instead of kills my bad I will fix it :^)

I was running in a guild 6man party last night and we saw quite a few drops in RvR, over one hour of playing, and it included one Woe item. So pretty good now.

the drop rate is pretty decent and the buff is definitely noticable. yesterday we ended up with around 350 PvP kills on our 6 man team. everyone had his bag filled with tons of green stuff and in total we got 2 woe and 1 murderers item.

Bretin wrote:the drop rate is pretty decent and the buff is definitely noticable. yesterday we ended up with around 350 PvP kills on our 6 man team. everyone had his bag filled with tons of green stuff and in total we got 2 woe and 1 murderers item.

Those numbers are in line with what I would expect from my math, but that also means that a 6 man group is receiving the same drop rates as a 24 man WB? At least IMO there is something wrong with that, because if it catches on no one will want to zerg, and just make 6 mans and try to get as many frags as they can. This means avoiding other groups that could potentially steal your DB's, or the creation of groups w/ comps specifically designed to last hit. Maybe have warbands receive increased loot at 12, and 20+ players to compensate?

The main is to get more blues/purples into the market. Most players will agree after you gear your character out in butchers etc... and get a mount your progression hits a gigantic brick wall that is impossible to climb.

Jaycub wrote: Those numbers are in line with what I would expect from my math, but that also means that a 6 man group is receiving the same drop rates as a 24 man WB? At least IMO there is something wrong with that, because if it catches on no one will want to zerg, and just make 6 mans and try to get as many frags as they can. This means avoiding other groups that could potentially steal your DB's, or the creation of groups w/ comps specifically designed to last hit. Maybe have warbands receive increased loot at 12, and 20+ players to compensate?

Actually I don't follow your Math.
If one Destro is killed he drops maybe one Item. Regardles if he is killed by on person, 6 or 24.
If you are in a 6er group you still roll on loot by characters who have been killed by your group.
If you are in a 24er wb you roll on loot by characters who have been killed by your group.

So you have an increased chance of drop as more destros are killed, or better said you have the chance to roll on more enemies drops, which is compensated by the extra persons in your warband who roll also.

So why should WB drop be increased? It should be actually the same.
And to make things worse, As far as I know drop rates are based on the dead characters or Mobs. Not depending on what entity he was killed.

Jaycub wrote:

Bretin wrote:the drop rate is pretty decent and the buff is definitely noticable. yesterday we ended up with around 350 PvP kills on our 6 man team. everyone had his bag filled with tons of green stuff and in total we got 2 woe and 1 murderers item.

Those numbers are in line with what I would expect from my math, but that also means that a 6 man group is receiving the same drop rates as a 24 man WB? At least IMO there is something wrong with that, because if it catches on no one will want to zerg, and just make 6 mans and try to get as many frags as they can. This means avoiding other groups that could potentially steal your DB's, or the creation of groups w/ comps specifically designed to last hit. Maybe have warbands receive increased loot at 12, and 20+ players to compensate?

The main is to get more blues/purples into the market. Most players will agree after you gear your character out in butchers etc... and get a mount your progression hits a gigantic brick wall that is impossible to climb.

well if the 6man group is capable of killing a WB its clear they get more items. if they only capable of killing another 6man group they have the same dropchance/perplayer as a WB would have killing another WB.

only if a WB stomps over a 6man group, the WB would have a smaller droprate/perplayer then a 6man group vs. a 6man group.

sounds logical to me?


generally i think purple drop SHOULD be seldom and precious, where is the fun when a purple drops every fight otherwise. this is not diablo after all ^^

Tiggo wrote: generally i think purple drop SHOULD be seldom and precious, where is the fun when a purple drops every fight otherwise. this is not diablo after all ^^

There is going to be a lot of conflicting philosophies regarding how gear should be distributed in a PvP only game. You have the extreme side of GW1 where everyone should be on exactly the same playing field regarding gear no matter what, warhammer I believe was the middle ground where you worked your way twards gear via token system which worked pretty well to squash RNG based only loot, and then finally you have shitty korean MMO's which im not even going to get into.

The ultimate goal of the devs is obviously bringing back the token system, but in the meantime we are stuck w/ this conundrum of how Woe/Runescribed Murderers/Slaughter should be distributed. Me personally, I feel like if the numbers I came up with are correct they should be increased at least 4 fold for blues and purples, and kept the same for greens so they don't become trash. Like I have said before many players have hit a brick wall w/ gear progression and can't even fathom how they will continue because... they can't even find gear they want in trade or the AH. Is their purple item 200g?...500g?...1k?....2k? No one knows. I find myself in this group as well, and have just rerolled a caster so purple weapons don't matter as much (weapon dps).

Glorian wrote:
Actually I don't follow your Math.
If one Destro is killed he drops maybe one Item. Regardles if he is killed by on person, 6 or 24.
If you are in a 6er group you still roll on loot by characters who have been killed by your group.
If you are in a 24er wb you roll on loot by characters who have been killed by your group.

So you have an increased chance of drop as more destros are killed, or better said you have the chance to roll on more enemies drops, which is compensated by the extra persons in your warband who roll also.

So why should WB drop be increased? It should be actually the same.
And to make things worse, As far as I know drop rates are based on the dead characters or Mobs. Not depending on what entity he was killed.

You would be really surprised how many frags a 6 man can pull off compared to the current WB's in T2. In fact I can almost guarantee you that any of the vented 6 man order premades I see running around the lakes currently are pulling off at least the same amount of DB's as the pug warbands if not more. For some reason getting kills is much harder in this servers T2 state than it ever was on live, due to a lot of factors at play here that were not on live.