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emiliorv
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Re: How to get ROR population up.

Post#71 » Fri Oct 29, 2021 11:53 am

zulnam wrote: Fri Oct 29, 2021 9:17 am
emiliorv wrote: Thu Oct 28, 2021 10:34 am
zulnam wrote: Wed Oct 27, 2021 4:15 pm If we're talking wish lists: Bring back option to turn SC quests in SC.

Huge turnoff for me. I used to love doing Chapter quests while i casually queued for SCs, knowing full well i have the full rewards, in case i won. Now if i wanna do SCs on a lowbie it's just idling in city waiting for pop, otherwise i risk losing emblems i so desperately need for the gear upgrade.

Making us choose feels like a disservice to the volunteers working hard on the pve content, really.

Just my 2 cents to the bucket list.
Mind blowing!! just simply remove the SC quests and add the rewars to winners....why tf quests are neede for that??
Yeah that could work. I suggest putting it in the Feedback subthread but make your point even more aggressive. That will really get people on your side. :roll:
I wont do this....Devs (or whatever from the team) have said in the past that they WANT ppl stay at city if you want to complete quests...

Anyways, i stopped play ROR a few moths ago....checking forum from time to time if there are any interesting change (none).

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ChicagoJoe
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Re: How to get ROR population up.

Post#72 » Fri Oct 29, 2021 6:33 pm

wonshot wrote: Tue Oct 26, 2021 2:18 pm @Topic title

I am one of those players who left RoR, not because NW is a better game because honestly RoR IS the best RvR game and the game where you can have the best performance in bigger clashes.
However,
untill the focus is on this area and not on Ranked, which has proven time and time again that the majority of the playerbase is not interested.
I understand from a Dev point of view its amazing to have the bragging right to push content the original Mythic team couldnt finish or deliver on, thats an amazing achivement. But from a player perspective those new cities are not bringing any new replay loop here and now. Fantastic if it will be introduced in the future and you are playing the long game, but here and now it doesnt add anything to the game apart from nerdgasm from roleplayers..

RoR's biggest selling point is stability, performance and oRvR. The latter has been ignored for too long and many of the guilds whom ive had the honor of playing with/against over the years are all saying the same. "yeah we love Warhammer online, its the best game. But right now theres nothing serious to fight because of the state of oRvR" This has been mentioned time and time again on the forums, but we just havnt seen any real focus on improving oRvR so its not just catering to the reroll loop and casuals. But instead needs to also cater to the people who want to organize, use their rr80 BiS chars, and play an engageing keepsiege campaign with the entire full acive zone being in use (BO system lacking)

If RoR wants those players back, oRvR needs to be prioritized. Atleast thats the way I see it, and from the people ive talked to and still talk to wether they still playing or have stopped.
1. I love the new PVE content but this game is the best large scale group RVR game still out there - There are a ton of alternatives out there for PVE and small scale, but this is still the best large scale RVR game. Population would benefit from some more focus on all aspects of PVP, including further removing motivations for current zergfest by changing AAO and bag roles, incentivize fighting on the outnumbered side more- Also maybe create an account based gold/potion item bank to encourage more cross realming to get good balanced fights. It's tough restarting on the underpopulated side with nothing. I have played destro for the last year almost exclusively after 5+ years of order only, it's been a tough go and I don't see casuals doing it.

2. Leaders like Bombling and others should be listened to. When entire guilds leave it hurts the game, and can create massive realm imbalances. Maybe some more love for guilds to bring folks back en mass. Many destro guilds still pissed about morale nerfs... revert with some with some minor mirror tweaks for order could keep balance and it would bring some entire guilds back.

3. NB removal - Still puzzling. Was it because it impacted Ranked too much? It seems like some of the reasons for certain class changes were to balance Ranked more. Maybe just turn it off in Ranked? Honestly if everyone can use it though why remove it? It encourages playing multiple classes. I've gone to playing a Chosen almost exclusively because I don't want to relearn and remacro for my IB and similar classes. I know I am not the only one. I have gone from 10+ hours a week to 1-2 hours a week and NB removal is the primary reason.

I don't think the classes are currently that imbalanced, after playing both sides a bunch. The realm pop imbalance is real though, but as Wargrimner said it is for a ton of reasons.

Some minor tweaks could bring some of the bad boy destro guilds back (and I could play order again a bit too).
primary IB 8X, EN8X, WP7X, SL7X, KOTBS6X, and a bunch of under rr60 toons on order and destro with other classes.

nat3s
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Re: How to get ROR population up.

Post#73 » Fri Oct 29, 2021 6:36 pm

LOTD and rr100 would bring me back or a server wipe.
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SepticDisaster
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Re: How to get ROR population up.

Post#74 » Fri Oct 29, 2021 8:40 pm

The population is so lopsided at this point good luck getting any new destro players.

BigBadBob
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Re: How to get ROR population up.

Post#75 » Fri Oct 29, 2021 9:14 pm

ChicagoJoe wrote: Fri Oct 29, 2021 6:33 pm
@Topic title

3. NB removal - Still puzzling. Was it because it impacted Ranked too much? It seems like some of the reasons for certain class changes were to balance Ranked more. Maybe just turn it off in Ranked? Honestly if everyone can use it though why remove it? It encourages playing multiple classes. I've gone to playing a Chosen almost exclusively because I don't want to relearn and remacro for my IB and similar classes. I know I am not the only one. I have gone from 10+ hours a week to 1-2 hours a week and NB removal is the primary reason.
It was clearly removed because it automated the decision making involved in PvP. Nothing to do with ranked. Learn to play the piano on your keyboard like every other IB and BG has to.

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mynban
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Re: How to get ROR population up.

Post#76 » Fri Oct 29, 2021 11:37 pm

BigBadBob wrote: Fri Oct 29, 2021 9:14 pm
ChicagoJoe wrote: Fri Oct 29, 2021 6:33 pm
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3. NB removal - Still puzzling. Was it because it impacted Ranked too much? It seems like some of the reasons for certain class changes were to balance Ranked more. Maybe just turn it off in Ranked? Honestly if everyone can use it though why remove it? It encourages playing multiple classes. I've gone to playing a Chosen almost exclusively because I don't want to relearn and remacro for my IB and similar classes. I know I am not the only one. I have gone from 10+ hours a week to 1-2 hours a week and NB removal is the primary reason.
It was clearly removed because it automated the decision making involved in PvP. Nothing to do with ranked. Learn to play the piano on your keyboard like every other IB and BG has to.
More likely go buy a gaming keyboard and razor naga and start using inbuild macros on keys, along with 12 buttons under your thumb.

NB removal made some people quit, made others stop playing alts. Best part is that NB is still in the game, and even if they manage to block this version; there will always be a next version.

In a game where everything relies on there being enough people, most stupid decision imo.

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ChicagoJoe
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Re: How to get ROR population up.

Post#77 » Sat Oct 30, 2021 3:38 am

mynban wrote: Fri Oct 29, 2021 11:37 pm
BigBadBob wrote: Fri Oct 29, 2021 9:14 pm
ChicagoJoe wrote: Fri Oct 29, 2021 6:33 pm
@Topic title

3. NB removal - Still puzzling. Was it because it impacted Ranked too much? It seems like some of the reasons for certain class changes were to balance Ranked more. Maybe just turn it off in Ranked? Honestly if everyone can use it though why remove it? It encourages playing multiple classes. I've gone to playing a Chosen almost exclusively because I don't want to relearn and remacro for my IB and similar classes. I know I am not the only one. I have gone from 10+ hours a week to 1-2 hours a week and NB removal is the primary reason.
It was clearly removed because it automated the decision making involved in PvP. Nothing to do with ranked. Learn to play the piano on your keyboard like every other IB and BG has to.
More likely go buy a gaming keyboard and razor naga and start using inbuild macros on keys, along with 12 buttons under your thumb.

NB removal made some people quit, made others stop playing alts. Best part is that NB is still in the game, and even if they manage to block this version; there will always be a next version.

In a game where everything relies on there being enough people, most stupid decision imo.
Someone who understands. And to the newbie who told me to LTP I know how to play my rr8X IB very well who is bis with all royal gear and PVE sets with or without it. It made some combos easier but no one who is any good would rely solely on it. Made it 8-9 buttons instead of 20+. Too much is situational. IB is not fun for hours at a time and most 8X IBs will agree. NB was quality of life for me for certain classes. I just don’t play as much anymore.
primary IB 8X, EN8X, WP7X, SL7X, KOTBS6X, and a bunch of under rr60 toons on order and destro with other classes.

abezverkhiy
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Re: How to get ROR population up.

Post#78 » Sat Oct 30, 2021 4:01 am

ChicagoJoe wrote: Sat Oct 30, 2021 3:38 am Made it 8-9 buttons instead of 20+. Too much is situational. IB is not fun for hours at a time and most 8X IBs will agree. NB was quality of life for me for certain classes. I just don’t play as much anymore.
Try Sequencer. For IB it is good - you can put loads of things in one button just to run them in cycles. Saved me 8 buttons.
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Re: How to get ROR population up.

Post#79 » Sat Oct 30, 2021 9:45 am

give the real answer why the players use NB, come on say the truth or why so many players lie often. the sequencer do the same as NB (without conditions). but i say the truth,many players that they use NB are for the conditions. the addon decide which skill it can be use in which situation, the players must press just a button that is the one thing what the player doand the addon decide then other things, that is no real play, that is a noob play and this is in mye eyes cheatingor botting.

yeah i know now the player say, no i use NB for the skill sequenzer, if that the truth, then use the addon Sequenzer, then all is fine. and that is so easy to say NB was qualifty of life, hell NO, that was cheating. and a very good player play without addons, that decide automaticly. the addon dont do mistake a human can be do mistake, use wrong skill in a situation, and that meand learn curve. bad player stay a bad player, the key word is learn to play without addons that decide what is the perfect skill in the situation. you must use your own braincells.

how you can be a good player, with learning and training. in each sports the players do training for better results in a game that is the same. many players must learn the basics, with this addon they learn nothing.

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mynban
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Re: How to get ROR population up.

Post#80 » Sat Oct 30, 2021 10:03 am

mogt wrote: Sat Oct 30, 2021 9:45 am give the real answer why the players use NB, come on say the truth or why so many players lie often. the sequencer do the same as NB (without conditions). but i say the truth,many players that they use NB are for the conditions. the addon decide which skill it can be use in which situation, the players must press just a button that is the one thing what the player doand the addon decide then other things, that is no real play, that is a noob play and this is in mye eyes cheatingor botting.

yeah i know now the player say, no i use NB for the skill sequenzer, if that the truth, then use the addon Sequenzer, then all is fine. and that is so easy to say NB was qualifty of life, hell NO, that was cheating. and a very good player play without addons, that decide automaticly. the addon dont do mistake a human can be do mistake, use wrong skill in a situation, and that meand learn curve. bad player stay a bad player, the key word is learn to play without addons that decide what is the perfect skill in the situation. you must use your own braincells.

how you can be a good player, with learning and training. in each sports the players do training for better results in a game that is the same. many players must learn the basics, with this addon they learn nothing.
Ahhh, the good old NB was cheating clutch. Anyone who actually used NB knows that it wont reach 6th skill in your sequence, and the 5th one will be used maybe 5% of the time at most. Go ahead and try to put 20+ skills on NB, I would love to play against an idiot who did that, it would be a breeze to beat them. As for sequencer, it sucks, because it wont even display next skill before a full ping from server. It cant reliably skip skills on CD, and still keeps getting stuck on skills on CD. It wont skip skills that are greyed or out of resource, it cant have potions or morale. Using sequencer on a laggy fight is adding to your GCD.

Best part? NB is still in the game, and IF devs manage to block current one, there will be a new one. Nothing is gained, but a lot is lost. Oceania evenings were 600+, weekends were 800+. Now evenings go below 200, and this weekend it was between 250-400. The moment activity drop below the treshold of SCs not popping and oRvR action not happening, it will go down exponantially. As I said it was the most stupid decision in a game format that cant exist without enough numbers.

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