Return of Reckoning

AM the new honeybadger

danny262 wrote: Mon Sep 17, 2018 10:44 amPlease pick three, so we can have a more accurate result per vote.

Who is we?

Martok wrote: Mon Sep 17, 2018 6:05 pm

danny262 wrote: Mon Sep 17, 2018 10:44 amPlease pick three, so we can have a more accurate result per vote.

Who is we?

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peterthepan3 wrote: Mon Sep 17, 2018 3:55 pm

Sanao wrote: Mon Sep 17, 2018 3:48 pm

danny262 wrote: Mon Sep 17, 2018 3:32 pm
Everyone consider different classes overwhelming at a different scale (0-1) (this is personal opinion factor) ideally we want to have a balanced distribution.

If we find a radical, we know most players(voters) think it's overpowered in many ways above where it should be,

According to the poll results so far we learn that AM is far overpowered compared to Runepriest while both classified as Healers. (Over 50+ people agrees on it atm)

This poll is first to come, it reflects the radical classes that considered overpowered by the vast majority of voters so don't be negative and get your friends to vote.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argumentum_ad_populum

Best of luck with your poll.

Cheers.

You are attempting to elicit opinions and equate them to solid proof of class x overperforming. Most opinions stemming from sentimental/solo experience, no doubt.

Again - no bearing whatsoever on how balance will be conducted. Find us empirical proof of classes overperforming in group and/or warband environments, and Dan and I are all ears.

ps. empirical proof not being scenario scoreboards with 0 healers on opposing side.

How is the community of players supose to find empirical proof of anyting happening in game? You undersstand that empiri means you collect alot of data and have experts analyzing all the data to come with a conclusion or outcome. Gathering data from people's lived experiences and opinions is usually how it's made. Screenshots, scoreboards etz are perfectly fine aslong as you have enought of em. Dismissing people's opinions as noncense is just stupid as you won't get acurate form of evidence. Picking the facts you like due to it comming from the "right people" and dismissing other's opinions you don't like is cherry picking facts.

This poll is still worth something even if it's way to early to actually draw any kind of conclusions due to the rapid paste of career changes goin on. AM got a massive dps bump and it's showing in this poll and when you take into consideration that it's a healing class and it's close to the dps capabillity of the other rdps classes but gets to keep all it's healing utillity aswell., I would look deeper into whats really goin on. (and I did)

Most people fail to read combat log and sc results correctly, how you want to use this as proof?

Sulorie wrote: Mon Sep 17, 2018 6:35 pm Most people fail to read combat log and sc results correctly, how you want to use this as proof?

It's not hard. If there are 1 out of 2 scoreboard or combat logs showing something then there's really no conclusion that can be drawn. If you have 1000 out of 2000 showing some sort of continuity then they are probobly on to something.

Amidala wrote: Mon Sep 17, 2018 5:55 pm Am dps must be deleted ofc. They do what thwy want. Like they travel in open rvr and they put dots on left and dots on right side. They have shitty def, spells can be interrupted, but no one can catch them and kick their faces in melee. They got invisible tactic in last patch!!! 1111.

Give AM stances like last patches did to WL and they would be truly invincible. I would even start one then.

Sulorie wrote: Mon Sep 17, 2018 6:35 pm Most people fail to read combat log and sc results correctly, how you want to use this as proof?

How would you suggest making a game fairly enjoyable for everyone?

At the moment we got 65+ (and counting) people expressing their collective experience, they matter along with the non English speakers.

We need around 1,500 votes of say 500 dedicated-players to contribute their opinion (all of them!) so we can confidently agree that the vast majority of players, feels that way.

Thus why we cannot rule out any opinion, even "equalibrium" balance is pointless because if we are not having a good time, we're rather wasting it for pity arguments and self rightousness.. ridiculous, don't you think?

What about destructions classes being overpowered?

danny262 wrote: Mon Sep 17, 2018 8:56 pm
We need around 1,500 votes of say 500 dedicated-players to contribute their opinion (all of them!) so we can confidently agree that the vast majority of players, feels that way.

You don't balance based on feelings.