Melee/Assault SW

[Manatikik]

WS was never a problem, people were always taking assault sw for pigshit (and they still willing to).
The only thing that could be tweaked is that Conq proc which causes much more damage to non-existent 6v6 scene and sanity of poor whinners

But then you have SM ini debuff

And you have BO to counter it. The only thing that SM brings that isn't directly countered (and more easily accessible due to the way the stat steal works) is Blurring Shock; but that isn't the issue. The issue is the fact that a SW can do -180 on his own; which may or not be addressed (but probably not soon since it is working as intended as far as mechanics go).

Pretty funny though that -80 initiative is apparently all that was needed to make order roflop in Destro's eyes... Just slot 3 Ini talis instead and boom all of a sudden its 17-6 instead... Hell use your second BL cloak, skaven ring, then whatever piece you're mixing and matching thats cheap to buy (and if you're BiS in Conq just get your second set started right ).

[Atropik]

I wish me WE or sorc in any spec could have some thing that makes all my opponents to slot 3 ini talys to stand still against me, that would be pretty awesome. xd

[forsa]

Wrong Dok is 123

Same as all other races.. poor dok, might be devs error.

Wrong again you play with SM so your at 200...

I was talking about SW personal ability to cut ini. You have BO for order SM so its -120 +120

Cleanse 5s cd, Wrist Slash no cd, Lol that you mention a 30min cd cloak ...

BO can give CD increase for enemy, Choppa can buff cd reduce for party. So its 5s cd ST debuff vs no cd cleanse

BG's specced mid tree has an incoming crit debuff cut by 1/2 on protector and self, also that core 20% enemy crit debuff - basically shutting conq boots+Subj+45rr down with one 5s cd ability that lasts 10s and thats ok and balanced.

Wrong again if you get close to 0 ini this is useless

WOW. Your argument is invalid point! without stating anything. Thats huge.

Use of Rare Fortune items in mix ( 2 set bonus +58 ini also high ini on items so you basically counter SW tactic), ini and tough talis instead of going full armor. Combined with zeal buff it negates SW in Conq with that nasty proc...

Well this set is usless for some specs for example dps dok and dominator the set for it has 0 ini on it. Zeal buff is shatterable....

WUT ? You counter argument about Rare Fortune stating that Dok has no in on DOMINATOR. That is awsome.
Also zeal buff can be cowered with other buffs, and can be recast.


As for the video - BO was running with 315 Tough - thats laughable and is called overconfidence.
Also it was stated by themselves - No Zealot, No Mara, no Chosen.

As for Ripgor ** exploding** - he was running around that RP , focused nonstop from 53:05 with his hp around 15-30% around 53:40 and finnally getting -53:59 - thats 20 seconds you can get m1-m2 based on the gear in that time period. Second time he went down BG dont even bothered to switch guard.
Cant miss that god level guard switching

[rmpl]

That BO you're talking about is indeed running only 315 toughness which is more than enough for absolutely everything but wrist slash meme group.

[Manatikik]

That BO you're talking about is indeed running only 315 toughness which is more than enough for absolutely everything but wrist slash meme group.

I'm sorry, but when did running a viable build in a 6 man become a meme-group?

People just seem really salty that a meta is changing... Not the end of the world guys; adapt or do you want to platy the same builds/groups for 10 more years?

[rmpl]

That BO you're talking about is indeed running only 315 toughness which is more than enough for absolutely everything but wrist slash meme group.

I'm sorry, but when did running a viable build in a 6 man become a meme-group?

People just seem really salty that a meta is changing... Not the end of the world guys; adapt or do you want to platy the same builds/groups for 10 more years?

Again, if a single tactic on a single character dictates the entire meta then there's something wrong with the balance.

[Manatikik]

That BO you're talking about is indeed running only 315 toughness which is more than enough for absolutely everything but wrist slash meme group.

I'm sorry, but when did running a viable build in a 6 man become a meme-group?

People just seem really salty that a meta is changing... Not the end of the world guys; adapt or do you want to platy the same builds/groups for 10 more years?

Again, if a single tactic on a single character dictates the entire meta then there's something wrong with the balance.

Again its not. If you go up against a Melee Sw; swap your THREE PIECES OF GEAR (that's it; most competent groups everyone has an offensive and defensive set anyways) out. Literally changes nothing but ~60 damage stat (which is not a make or break amount) or ~450 armor which is a bigger deal but you're swapping defensive for defensive to directly counter the one main strength of a DPS class on the opposing team. Its a give and take honestly; you're giving up a more reliable and mobile DPS to pick up a Melee SW that has clear counters to get the Crit bonus, so you give up more reliable mitigation/damage to counter said Crit bonus.

[forsa]

Again, if a single tactic on a single character dictates the entire meta then there's something wrong with the balance.

Run Away

[AxelF]

WS was never a problem, people were always taking assault sw for pigshit (and they still willing to).
The only thing that could be tweaked is that Conq proc which causes much more damage to non-existent 6v6 scene and sanity of poor whinners

But then you have SM ini debuff

And you have BO to counter it. The only thing that SM brings that isn't directly countered (and more easily accessible due to the way the stat steal works) is Blurring Shock; but that isn't the issue. The issue is the fact that a SW can do -180 on his own; which may or not be addressed (but probably not soon since it is working as intended as far as mechanics go).

Pretty funny though that -80 initiative is apparently all that was needed to make order roflop in Destro's eyes... Just slot 3 Ini talis instead and boom all of a sudden its 17-6 instead... Hell use your second BL cloak, skaven ring, then whatever piece you're mixing and matching thats cheap to buy (and if you're BiS in Conq just get your second set started right ).

"Don't take my op toys away.... "

[Manatikik]

But then you have SM ini debuff

And you have BO to counter it. The only thing that SM brings that isn't directly countered (and more easily accessible due to the way the stat steal works) is Blurring Shock; but that isn't the issue. The issue is the fact that a SW can do -180 on his own; which may or not be addressed (but probably not soon since it is working as intended as far as mechanics go).

Pretty funny though that -80 initiative is apparently all that was needed to make order roflop in Destro's eyes... Just slot 3 Ini talis instead and boom all of a sudden its 17-6 instead... Hell use your second BL cloak, skaven ring, then whatever piece you're mixing and matching thats cheap to buy (and if you're BiS in Conq just get your second set started right ).

"Don't take my op toys away.... "

Yea thats what im saying... As the first person on the forums to advocate not stacking Conq Proc with WS I'm all about making my classes op...