WHY ARE SHAMANS SO OP?

[GodlessCrom]

wy the hell a flamy balance thread is still open ?

Idk. The one I've done today about WL got locked almost instantly.

Same **** as the moral pumps and Chosen builds - Devs listen to Order whining and nerf the crap out of the few advantages Destro have over Order but cut off discussion from the Destro side allowing the large multitude of advantages that Order have go unchecked.

But if Phalanx never loses to inferior order drones, and morale pumps didn't matter, why care? If you're that good, and morale pumps truly didn't matter, couldn't we be spared the incessant **** posting?

2h Chosen nerfs still cut me deep though Marauder4lyfe I guess.

[normanis]

chosen have ap tactics 2x. + aura. + he can gain morale faster than evrybody else( i thought this is shaman thread).
i have sugestion remove from shaman + 30 speed tactic and relpace it with restorative burst (ap tactic) or wild healing also ap tactic. and wuala everyone happy.

[Stickzy]

I agree with what penril said on page 5. Imo Dok and wp Should be reverted until CC. Class is complete garbage

[Arteker616]

chosen have ap tactics 2x. + aura. + he can gain morale faster than evrybody else( i thought this is shaman thread).
i have sugestion remove from shaman + 30 speed tactic and relpace it with restorative burst (ap tactic) or wild healing also ap tactic. and wuala everyone happy.

and we got the total no effin clue **** post.

to let you things clear, chosen power from the gods is self ap , tactic chaotic adventage is self for the chosen , so chosen can only give aps to party with a single aura, ktbo can run x2.

second Borc did achieved m4 faster than chosen , since both are block based proc , but it got nerfed and by the time u run m4 ur enemy tanks have m3. all that while not need to run morale pump .

most shamans in ehavy group mele setup dont run run away, they run , wagh frenzy , aint done yet ,restoburst , and extra special mushroom. and in some cases the morale pumpers tactics ,,,,, wich they had been nerfed aswell another victim of bitterstone . sorry black toof clan, i warned u killing them would make this happen.

u run run away in kiting groups swaping extra mushrooms tactics .

But dont worry im prety sure eventualy goblins racials will be nerfed to please order

[TenTonHammer]

Did you miss the part where I said "except for one or 2 skills"'? I specifically mentioned a Chosen/KotBS example (resist auras).

As for Maras, the only issue with them is that they can have EVERYTHING in one spec. With client control, devs will be able to move skills around (and change the tooltips) to avoid this.

Its more than just the effectivness of the buff and debuff of resist auras

Its also how low their skill floor is to play while still being very efficientive, and im not a fan of them being able to slot a tactic and getting a 10s super punt

As far as mara goes yes the cookie cutter spec is an issue, but also i dont at all feel that first, mara should have access to PB it should either be removes or its armor ignore % greatly reduced becuase right now mara has CC+PB+WS (+impale ignore), why?

Additionally when other classes have to commit harder or have more stringent requirements to use, why does mara have an ease of use, no requirements wounds debuff that is also the highest in the game?

[wargrimnir]

While there was some good conversation to be had, this whole thread is built on a bed of shitposting as well. I didn't expect it to go past page 2, alas, I have underestimated my fellows here.