Return of Reckoning

Panzerkasper wrote:

peterthepan3 wrote:

Panzerkasper wrote:
Because the Engi/Magus weren't changed around premade play?

Actually I'm fairly sure that Havoc was changed around premade/6-man play.

I highly doubt that, because then the classes should have been reworked completely and not just given more damage/range. They would need some kind of utility like a Healdebuff, a CD increaser, a CD decreaser for their team or some things like that.

Thats why you still see rarely see destro rdps premades, because the utility on the classes is just not at all as good as the order counterparts.

Grunbag wrote:Yes but you forgot that magus has te wounds buff that gives him 1500 heal instant. Maybe in a aoe build the magus doesn't really care about this heal but for the havoc? (Long range) tree this is really usefull . I don't think the heal keg is the bigger problem for destro . On live no one complain about it as far as I remember , why now it is an issue ?
Maybe the problem is where the keg is in the tinkerer tree , but if you swap it with magnet it would be even worse you'll have many napalm/magnet build.

Grunbag wrote:@lektroluv :
What I see is that you're more bother by rifleman ( snipers build ) than grenadier or tinkerer .
I don't play rifleman , test it a bit when it got buffed but I didn't found it attractive .
First , don't get wrong a sniper build cannot use the flameturret cause of the range debuff of the turret , the only engineers that use the flameturret (with disrupt/dodge) are tinkerer who are really exposed to mdps . They can't reach to caster unless they sit at their feets (50feet range not more) . I play engineer , now when I want to place my mine to debuff casttime healer /caster I have to walk all through the mdps to be closer to the caster , and it make me out of heal from my own healer , so I have risk with that turret : staying stationnary and deal with mdps without bother caster (which is the goal of a tinkerer , not an engineer that is looking to have the highest dmg in scenario) , or moving out of my turret /guard /healer to go to healer caster trying to do my job .
It could be frustrating for rdps to meet this kind of engineer , but if you compared them like a tank why are you focusing them ? You better focus weakest rdps or healer first and when you done , just finish tinkerers at the same time than tanks .
If you don't find the dodge disrupt good , what would you give to tinkerer ? Keep in mind that we have ridiculous range as tinkerer.

For snipers , it's another story : that's the new built for solo / casual player that playing RoR to make max of kill /laugh . Dev already nerf the gunturret , nerf the sniper , as I suggest in another thread they finally put the sniper ability to 13 points (that was unfair that sniper was able the have a build with sniper / +15% crit tactic and heal keg . Now it's impossible to have those 3 abilities and I'm agree with that .
Maybe it's not enough and the tree need to be nerf again , but that would be decided by dev .
If you want a nerf of dmg boost for gunturret , then we shouldn't have to lose the 4 stack when turret got destroyed (we can't stand 16seconds static , for having a small dmg boost and risk to lose 4 stack really quickly)

About the ability to reach high def stats
I want to Be clear with that too : yes we can stack armor (set , jewel , talis , buff , tactic , potion ) but to have to high def stats we lose all dps ( I am currently testing a full support def build) I can reach to 4+ armor but I have only 393 BS , and 0% crit rate . It's impossible (or tell me how to do) to have 4K+ armor , 550 toughness , 0% crit reduce , 600/800 resist , 24% dodge disrupt , and have decent dps stats (BS and crit rate)
I don't think riflemen have any good def stats so they can be killed by WE easily (maybe I'm wrong , I don't play rifleman a WE might tell us)

peterthepan3 wrote:Who cares about non-premade balance? Why should balance revolve around people not being in a group? I honestly struggle to fathom why.

peterthepan3 wrote:If you are in a group with other players, and are playing as a group, i.e. as you should be. - regardless of class composition/voice comms - you are a premade.

There are a lot of people complaining, yes, but why is it that the majority of these complaints seem to stem from pug play, and not premade play?

Glorian wrote:So what is your nerf/balance purpose?

Damage to 20% and range to 100%?

Congrats, we are back to 1.4.8 with a worse turret, snipe higher in tree.

Azarael wrote:
As for the people talking about ditching the concept and making them mobile: you're going to need a career mechanic for them if you remove the pet / static concept. Think you can introduce one without redesigning the class from the ground up, an action which would be completely untenable even for someone like me, and without making the pet a stupid afterthought / liability? Good luck.

Azarael wrote:That's exactly what I'm talking about. If you lower the cooldown of the redeploy skill, what is the pet? An annoyance that you have to remember to constantly resummon. It's Auras MK2.

Azarael wrote:That's exactly what I'm talking about. If you lower the cooldown of the redeploy skill, what is the pet? An annoyance that you have to remember to constantly resummon. It's Auras MK2.