Destro are... mean?

[Penril]

You mean how they can also unflag in PVE but are to lazy to??

Did you miss the part where destro would stand in front of someone doing AoE just to get him flagged?

Or the part where if a healer so much as throws a HoT on someone, he gets flagged if his target was flagged? This happens a lot in open WBs whenever a new player joins.

[roadkillrobin]

You mean how they can also unflag in PVE but are to lazy to??

Did you miss the part where destro would stand in front of someone doing AoE just to get him flagged?

Or the part where if a healer so much as throws a HoT on someone, he gets flagged if his target was flagged? This happens a lot in open WBs whenever a new player joins.

So you're saying you flag an oposing player by using AoE's on him?? If thats the case then yes that is a bad bug, but i'm pretty sure that isn't the case.
I tought you meant they were using AoE on the NPC's and accidently hit the oposing players and therefor flags.

[bloodi]

You mean how they can also unflag in PVE but are to lazy to??

viewtopic.php?f=8&t=13636&hilit=flagged#p149264

You know the policy, you were in that thread.

[Penril]

So you're saying you flag an oposing player by using AoE's on him?? If thats the case then yes that is a bad bug, but i'm pretty sure that isn't the case.
I tought you meant they were using AoE on the NPC's and accidently hit the oposing players and therefor flags.

Pay attention: Order is doing their PQ, with most classes using AoE (because you have to kill like 75 mobs). They aren't flagged. Then several flagged destro come to the PQ and stand in front of the Order guy who is doing AoE. This will get that Order guy flagged, and then Destro proceed to attack him. An Order healer will probably heal his ally, and now that healer is flagged as well.

[roadkillrobin]

So you're saying you flag an oposing player by using AoE's on him?? If thats the case then yes that is a bad bug, but i'm pretty sure that isn't the case.
I tought you meant they were using AoE on the NPC's and accidently hit the oposing players and therefor flags.

Pay attention: Order is doing their PQ, with most classes using AoE (because you have to kill like 75 mobs). They aren't flagged. Then several flagged destro come to the PQ and stand in front of the Order guy who is doing AoE. This will get that Order guy flagged, and then Destro proceed to attack him. An Order healer will probably heal his ally, and now that healer is flagged as well.

So the fault/mistake is due to the player(s) tagging the flagged oposition then?
Seriusly, we're just argueing scraps now. Let the Devs deal with it if they feel it's something that needs to be dealt with.

[Nekkma]

So the fault/mistake is due to the player(s) tagging the flagged oposition then?
Seriusly, we're just argueing scraps now. Let the Devs deal with it if they feel it's something that needs to be dealt with.

The flagged player is basically disrupting the unflagged players pve. Seems pretty much like griefing to me.

[Luth]

Spoiler:

Except that it's a PvE PQ in a PvE area done by players who, high likely, want to do some PvE.

@topic:
The Eataine PvE-area is not lodt and i think the major reason for this is a bug that flags people for RvR who use the flightmaster(s) in Eataine.

Maybe you take one minute and think about what this kind of behaviour could cause to this small community/population when there are newbies trying to levelup with PvE.

[roadkillrobin]

So the fault/mistake is due to the player(s) tagging the flagged oposition then?
Seriusly, we're just argueing scraps now. Let the Devs deal with it if they feel it's something that needs to be dealt with.

The flagged player is basically disrupting the unflagged players pve. Seems pretty much like griefing to me.

RVR is RVR, WAR is RVR. It's a open world map.
I think this is just something people gotta learn to except in a game like this. The original RVR design even encouraged it.

[NoRKaLKiLLa]

I've been killing people at the eataine PQ since T4 was released. Day one as I tried to receive my ruin gear at the DW destruction PQ an order player came along and punted me into a lava spot where I couldn't get out. I laughed, and went looking for their PQ. Since then, if RVR lakes are absolutely dead, zones just locked and scenarios aren't popping off or I just want to earn a little renown because there's literally nothing else to do, I can usually count on finding someone to kill at the PQ.

I'm currently RR52, have all my scenario influence gear and scenario weapons. I have all the pve influence rewards from chapters with working PQs in search of cosmetic gear. Leading warband after warband has netted me all of one purple bag. I have absolutely nothing left to chase in this game at the moment except solo renown points when the game is dead, and reporting broken PQ stages. Winning a scenario earns me usually less than 500 renown, losing around 50. Killing a player solo can pull in about 500-1000 renown per kill. So yeah, I'm not going to sit outside the praag war camp trying to solo people trickling out all day if I'm not getting any bites- I'm going to go where I know there's an enemy player and I'm going to kill at least one person, receive more renown in ten seconds than I would in fifteen minutes of gromril crossing.

I can't speak for anyone but me, but anyone who's shown a sense of humor or asked me to stop I've left alone; but so long as this is WARhammer, with the intention of player versus player combat where we violently kill each other, get used to being raided by the enemy or go play hello kitty online where no one can harm your character.

You also have the option of logging off and on in the PQ, typing /rvr, entering and leaving an SC, waiting for the devs to redraw the pvp zone in eataine, running from Dragon wake, fighting back or demanding a stance from the leaders of this project.

[bwdaWAR]

I have farmed Ruin a LOT the past 2 weeks. I have 20 alts with full Ruin (both Order and Destro).

Destro invaded the Eataine PQ a bazillion times while i was there. Order? I only ever saw a WL and Engie a few times (easily dealt with) and a solo DPS AM (even easier to kill him). They didn't return after dying. Nothing like Destro, who have sometimes invaded the Order PQ with half a WB.

And I've farmed Ruin on the Destro PQ when on the rank 41 Hero spawned 2 groups of Order charged in on our PQ.
I've seen AM hiding out of LoS and dotting people up. I've seen a full 6man premade storm that PQ aswell. I've also seen the Order being completly wiped by the lowbie Destro farmers.

So it happens once in a month and suddenly it's equal?
I have farmed Ruin with 8-8 characters recently. Each side took somewhere between 8-12 days, with 4-8 hours a day.
In the "Blind Justice", the most popular Destruction PQ to do where you have a good chance for the gold bags, I have never, ever seen an Order character. Now I don't doubt that occasionally someone tries their luck there, but I had a pretty good sample size to say it's a very rare thing. As is people doing the PQ flagged: I have 2 healers and 2 tanks on Destruction so it's hard to miss PvP flagged players even if you don't specifically pay attention; RvR flagged players are also very rare.
On "Da Orcwerks" PQ, the Order's most popular PQ, Destruction players showed up every day. There was a marauder in particular who kept coming back, I've seen him there at least 10 times every day. Rank 40, in full Mercenary gear and other T4 BiS items, with r38 potions. There were other Destruction players who came to the PQ as well, about 1-2 times a day.
As for the RvR flag - as noted, you get flagged when you arrive in the Eataine warcamp. You have to get out of the RvR area and relog to unflag, or your "alternative" is to fly to DW, which puts you on the opposite side of the DW map from Eataine, so you have to ride across 2 whole zones. Now it's true that you can unflag, but let's be honest - this is a PUG situation. Most people don't bother with such things, especially since probably many of them aren't even aware that it will matter. You also need teammates to complete these PQs unless you have some kind of monster build who doesn't need the Ruin pieces anymore anyways, so you don't get to choose who you support and get flagged for it yourself. And I'm going to say that if Destruction was in the exact same situation Flight Master-wise, they would be all flagged too. But they're not.
This is the reason all those Destruction players come to the Order PQ, constantly, to the point that it's extremely disruptive - if there is no Destruction player chasing your healers around, you (quite rightly) are paranoid about one turning up during a boss fight and so not paying as much attention to the PQ as you should. They don't just go there and stand in the AoE to get the (low rank and poorly geared) Order players flagged that may happen otherwise, they know there will be plenty of low rank flagged players to begin with. They can even come unflagged and pick them off at their leasure. With other words, they are exploiting a weakness in the system they are well aware of.