Return of Reckoning

Torquemadra wrote:

magter3001 wrote:Isn't it better to add snare to pounce instead of root?

20% snare for 3 seconds if pounce is on a 5 second cooldown.

Another suggestion would be is to apply the root or snare as soon as the ability is activated vs when the WL lands on his target, reducing his distance from the target when he lands.

A idea I would prefer would be self cc/root immunity + 30% speed boost for 3 seconds upon landing

3 CC/Root Immunity + 30% movement speed on a 5 second cool down? Can I take that instead of Juggernaut on Foot sloggers please?

mursie wrote:

Torquemadra wrote: and a class defining ability should punish people because? Even if there were not intermittent latency issues the very suggestion that an ability should have such a downside on what is overall a fairly weak class (its king in t3, that will not last) is abhorrent and thats without factoring in that people DONT have time to be monitoring the myrida of buff/debuffs and immunities that flow over peoples heads. This would make mods vital over being useful.

What if someone suggested when using repel darkness and mighty soul, if you hit someone with immunities you get sent flying in the opposite direction....

I don't want to speak for others, but I think the intention was as follows:

1. Pounce has a 10 second cooldown. It can and will always work on an opponent. Always

2. It will ONLY root said target when target has no immovable immunity. - Meaning, if you elect to pounce on a target that has immovable...they can still continue to move. Much like if a chosen chooses to use their KD (downfall) when a person has an unstoppable buff...it will continue to do its dmg and fire...it's just the person won't be KD'd.

That is how I would intend it to work.

I can get behind this 110% ^

I don't like the idea of a root that doesn't give immunity and is spammable for anything larger than a 6v6. Imagine disengaging from a warband and you get rooted every second because the next WL is in range for his pounce.

Shadowgurke wrote:I don't like the idea of a root that doesn't give immunity and is spammable for anything larger than a 6v6. Imagine disengaging from a warband and you get rooted every second because the next WL is in range for his pounce.

I believe when people refer to the root immunity they are suggesting the white lion gains it whilst pouncing, not the player who is rooted. (I'd assume that it would trigger the typical CC immunity procs on the player the same way as everything else does, preventing constant spam roots.

A target getting pounced could be rooted for 1s, if it gave them the usual immunities. If it did not give them immunities, the WL could keep them permanently rooted so long as they have AP, which is broken.

A White Lion that pounces should not get root immunity while doing so. Pounce explicitly cannot be used while rooted, and that is a check on the ability that should not be removed.

Finally, I agree with Mursie that the order should go Pounce -> Root, so the actual movement occurs independent of whether the root gets applied. This would be in contrast to the SW/SQ self-punt, which currently does not go off if the target is immune to roots.

Why are we talking about buffing pounce?? If they spam the button anyway they're doing it wrong. Putting a CD on it in exchange for some other kind of buff is actually a buff period. Not necessary IMO.

A pounce with a CD prevents chain pouncing on different targets, which is quite the nerf in my opinion.

Azarael wrote:A pounce with a CD prevents chain pouncing on different targets, which is quite the nerf in my opinion.

Chain pouncing doesn't kill anything. A spammable root would be a huge gain for assist trains. I wouldn't complain about a nerf to pounce, but be careful what you call a nerf.

Azarael wrote:A pounce with a CD prevents chain pouncing on different targets, which is quite the nerf in my opinion.

Yeah, my mistake, I forgot about that part of the proposal. Anywho, I'd table this until the new forum is ready to go, just to guarantee visibility. It could be something of an inaugural post.

You know every account with 1 post is going to be coming out of the woodwork the second pounce gets touched one way or the other.

Vigfuss wrote:Chain pouncing doesn't kill anything. A spammable root would be a huge gain for assist trains. I wouldn't complain about a nerf to pounce, but be careful what you call a nerf.

I never said it killed anything by itself, but it has utility, in that you can pounce out of a situation shortly after you go in, you can counter being KBed after you pounce in immediately and you can go from one target to another further back.