Return of Reckoning

Stealing like slayers morale

I dont mind if they get a few APs back tbh. Since the spell has a rather normal cooldown and its a over time leech anyways, it should also be cleansable then? So i see no problem here

The proposed rework made the ability an instant steal, like Blessed Bullets of Cleansing.

Azarael wrote:As I recall, an additional change in 1.4.9 was that the AP drain abilities at Khaine and Brawler 5 stole 50 Action Points instead of simply causing the enemy to lose 50 AP over 5 seconds. Opinion?

+1 YES.

BO/SM both need some more love as maybe the weakest tanks types.

So the rework is going to be drain

So you want a 1/5 max draw every 10 seconds? Better take the 'in between' that I wrote here . So it might be a slight buff, but not over the top. Do you personally think a fifth of all AP is fine? I remember the AM/Sham draw being quite strong, since it nearly completely emptied your APs, but that was over Time. Dont think a direct draw is that balanced overall.
just my 2cents

I don't think anything, which is why I'm asking. The proposition put forward is the one that was in the 1.4.9 patch notes.

Well i just thought you might have a personal opinion about those patchnotes yourself too :p
But yeah, my input = above: A fifth leech of anyones max AP every 10 seconds, seems too much for me.
If you take the 50 AP over 5 seconds and make it cleansable like AM hex, its fine.

Azarael wrote:As I recall, an additional change in 1.4.9 was that the AP drain abilities at Khaine and Brawler 5 stole 50 Action Points instead of simply causing the enemy to lose 50 AP over 5 seconds. Opinion?

Follow' Me Lead, Ya Missed Me and Wot Armor? has to be applied first regardless. Only ever used AP-drain in duels vs AP-healers and making it 50 direct instead of over time is only marginally better. As armor went up in 1.4 and all started sloting armour I stopped using it even in duels.

That said I guess there was one more change in 1.4.9 that wasn't crazy balls (a part from pounce bug fix)

TBH Magus DoTs just need their durations halved/damaged increased. DPS AMs should not be doing more damage via DoTs than a DOT-based DPS class. Never understood that.