Return of Reckoning

Yes. Knockback was a waste of cooldown if you used it against a wl.

if it was/is used during the gcd of the WL, you can't pounce back. knockdown + kick also works quite decent, especially since destru has 5 sec time to find a proper kick position „wink“-Emoticon

Btw, regarding Deadly Clutch: Potions are classed internally as pure heals (Morale-type) and are not affected by Deadly Clutch.

i'm not talking about the healdebuff but about the heal leech. the marauder was always healed for 50% of the total potion value.
Deadly Clutch worked like this on potions:
I use a 1k health potion with the debuff on me. DC won't apply the HD to the potion since that query works properly and it realizes that it's Moral-type. But here comes the heal leech, DC will check how much heal arrived on me (the marauders victim) and will notice that i got healed for 1k. Impartial of the type/source it will grant 50% of this heal to the marauder and since it's not heal debuffed, the marauder is healed for 500. Go to the dev server and check it „smile“-Emoticon. That tactic lacks a query about the incoming heal source it will simply grant 50% of every TOTAL heal the victim receives. Overheal, Moral Heal and Damage Heal are all affected in the same way.

i totally have to agree with Bretin here.

just because you got killed in rvr by a pounce spamming WL in a 1v1 doesnt mean pounce is op. it just means that you are not playing good.

Bretin wrote:i'm not talking about the healdebuff but about the heal leech. the marauder was always healed for 50% of the total potion value.
Deadly Clutch worked like this on potions:
I use a 1k health potion with the debuff on me. DC won't apply the HD to the potion since that query works properly and it realizes that it's Moral-type. But here comes the heal leech, DC will check how much heal arrived on me (the marauders victim) and will notice that i got healed for 1k. Impartial of the type/source it will grant 50% of this heal to the marauder and since it's not heal debuffed, the marauder is healed for 500. Go to the dev server and check it „smile“-Emoticon. That tactic lacks a query about the incoming heal source it will simply grant 50% of every TOTAL heal the victim receives. Overheal, Moral Heal and Damage Heal are all affected in the same way.

Yeah, I understood, and I know how it originally worked on live. I sought to clarify the situation on RoR. If Deadly Clutch works on potions on RoR then that's a bug, as Morale heals aren't supposed to go through any buff or tactic event handlers here.

Highest HP Debuff ingame no, and provided by tank, this is not 1V1 game
Highest Armor Debuff ingame yes, I'll come back on this
Best incoming Heal Debuff ingame best in terms of survavibility, but not strongest, 1 tactic slot
Heal Leech (including Overheal, Pots, Damage Heal) will be reduced
Toughness Debuff provided by tank
Toughness and Str Buff same as above and this is not 1V1 game
AP Drain 1 tactic slot and 1 mastery point
AP Increase provided in a much more efficient way by tank.
Immunity to Armor Penetration please, are you the same guy who mentionned risk vs reward? There is no reward at all in staying in monstro sec, proc from throw axe may help.
Selfheal same as above
Damage Modifier which doesn't have any requirements here falls the mirror of vengeance of nagarythe. 1 mastery point and triggers gcd iirc
Piercing Bite 1 tactic slot
Self Crit Tactic 1 tactic slot, we don't know yet about the salfdebuff part.
Crit Damage Tactic w/o requirements 1 tactic slot
Crit Increase for Group 1 tactic slot, crit increase for group are vastly better on order side
Wave of Terror which is THE best ability in any large scale fight mmmmh, do you mean "wave of HORROR"? Its the same as "submission", and they are the ****.
Highest tooltip damage ingame just no.
AP Tactic 1 tactic slot again.
Core AoE Interrupt Others have it, it's cone shaped and wl can spec to a better one.
Unpurgable Snare "fixed"
Superior Fetch compared to WL really depends of the situation and pet pathing

So basically marauder has an armor debuf and high survavibility thanks to heal leech. Maybe you have 6 tactic slots on your mara but everybody else has to carefully choose between all the "cool stuff" because we can't have everything at once. The "cool stuff" is here to compensate the absence of real burst damage and lack of aoe.
Kotbs>Chosen
bw>sorc
sw>sh
slayer>choppa
etc
Marauder is here to counter that, or at least that I have been told for years when I asked why kotbs/sw/am, etc are allowed to be so OP. So here we are: EA poor attempt at balance.

Twyxx wrote:I bet there will be a lot less people playing WL now :> (which isn't even a bad thing)

i missssss uuuuuu =*

Bretin wrote:My first thought was to not reply at all but yet I can’t. There is too much bullshit in this forum and too many people with literally no idea what they are talking about i.e. SilverWF, Corpyhaust, Morfee and Tesq. And apparently the dev team starts listening to them.
and some random bs.

It might not be what you want to hear but some ppl have more experience/knowledge of the game then yourself, as sad as that is its the case and why would u think the dev team are listening to anything that gets said in these pointless back and forth debates ? they are not biased like 90% of players here.
Also its amusing how when anyone else has an opinion on things they are all noobs and need to l2p but when u start pm'ing a member of the dev team basically crying about how you are no longer immune to punt's its because you know best...

Lastly...really ? gona compare me to silerwf ? that is below the belt and really shows me that you are just a troll who happens to be good at a video game.

thullonse wrote:i totally have to agree with Bretin here.

just because you got killed in rvr by a pounce spamming WL in a 1v1 doesnt mean pounce is op. it just means that you are not playing good.

Doesn't it mean ANY class must NOT be "balansed" in this way, not only WL?

Lol bretin just avoided my post about his experience, lol

@Morf
Mhm like you completly ignored the fact destru has better kiters to balance out the order anti kite tools.

And if someone points out your bias you just move to another thread to spill it there.

Aisha wrote:

Twyxx wrote:I bet there will be a lot less people playing WL now :> (which isn't even a bad thing)

i missssss uuuuuu =*

Gotta agree, I like dueling Twyxx since he's usually not as much of a pouncebot. <3

SilverWF wrote:

thullonse wrote:i totally have to agree with Bretin here.

just because you got killed in rvr by a pounce spamming WL in a 1v1 doesnt mean pounce is op. it just means that you are not playing good.

Doesn't it mean ANY class must NOT be "balansed" in this way, not only WL?

for example?