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Re: Nerf WH/WE into the ground
Posted: Tue Jun 09, 2026 8:58 pm
by DiMakss
Avanos wrote: Tue Jun 09, 2026 8:26 pm
I think what you've written is probably the most accurate summary in this entire thread.
Ironically, even your TL;DR is likely too much reading and too much brainpower for the average player to process.
You basically laid out the same reality that shows up every single time these discussions happen:
Stealth classes can be countered.
Positioning matters.
Route selection matters.
Spec choices matter.
Awareness matters.
Matchups matter.
Group composition matters.
You 2 have combined two completely opposing viewpoints into one statement. If you want to prove something using a killmail, so I can post a killmail of me, a level 1, killing someone rr100 as countepoint, right?
Re: Nerf WH/WE into the ground
Posted: Tue Jun 09, 2026 9:07 pm
by rorswar
“You basically laid out the same reality that shows up every single time these discussions happen:
Stealth classes can be countered.
Positioning matters.
Route selection matters.
Spec choices matter.
Awareness matters.
Matchups matter.
Group composition matters.
Somehow that gets translated into "WE/WH is immortal and can never die."
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Odd how those same arguments applied to WL for years, or more recently DPS Shaman/AM, yet somehow it wasn’t the same.
Re: Nerf WH/WE into the ground
Posted: Tue Jun 09, 2026 9:10 pm
by Krima
Solater
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Killsattva
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https://youtu.be/QdErLxo3bao?si=Bk7_DAhIqkCCzRHX[/youtube]
All I see is balance, equal skilled players. WL just tears WE apart.
Re: Nerf WH/WE into the ground
Posted: Tue Jun 09, 2026 9:12 pm
by lumpi33
Your pictures show nothing. For example the first one with the SW. He did over 3000 with broadhead arrow. That means that it took him a while to kill you. What were you doing while he was shooting at you? Killing 3 others? Afk? Nobody knows. Can't tell from that screenshot. Same with the other pictures.
The video I have posted actually show how easy it is to get kills as WE.
Re: Nerf WH/WE into the ground
Posted: Tue Jun 09, 2026 9:47 pm
by lumpi33
These are two def regen WEs. I've looked up that fights on the killboard. It took him 18k and 19k damage to take them down.
They are like shadow tanks with better damage and lots of tools on top. When they use a regen potion together with their self regen and absorb they are insanely hard to take down. Balanced? lol... The WL was lucky that he is melee and WL is one of the stronger classes. As ranged dps they would fire Elixir of the Cauldron or m1 and become immune to their damage for 7s. Then you stand there like an idiot while they jump around and kill everything or just disappear before dying. There is a reason people keep complaining about them.
When a better WE opens on him he dies in seconds. That fight was probably over very fast:
https://killboard.returnofreckoning.com/kill/33743466
Re: Nerf WH/WE into the ground
Posted: Tue Jun 09, 2026 9:53 pm
by XakasDrack
Based, agree 100%. Ppl who dont see how OP (and ezmode) WE/WH are have only played RoR their whole life lol. A lot of mmos and even mobas rogue classes dont have so many escapes like WH/WE, I only see that on RoR xD. ALSO THE REGEN BUILD FOR A ROGUE CLASS lol, only on RoR. But devs dont play the game and only listen to "people who understand the class" (but in reality they just ask for things to make it even more OP), so NT at least bro
Re: Nerf WH/WE into the ground
Posted: Tue Jun 09, 2026 10:09 pm
by Krima
lumpi33 wrote: Tue Jun 09, 2026 9:47 pm
These are two def regen WEs. I've looked up that fights on the killboard. It took him 18k and 19k damage to take them down.
They are like shadow tanks with better damage and lots of tools on top. When they use a regen potion together with their self regen and absorb they are insanely hard to take down. Balanced? lol... The WL was lucky that he is melee and WL is one of the stronger classes. As ranged dps they would fire Elixir of the Cauldron or m1 and become immune to their damage for 7s. Then you stand there like an idiot while they jump around and kill everything or just disappear before dying. There is a reason people keep complaining about them.
When a better WE opens on him he dies in seconds. That fight was probably over very fast:
https://killboard.returnofreckoning.com/kill/33743466
Or when a solid WL finds the WE and he also dies in seconds, why didn’t the WE use shadows, M1, or self-punt?
https://killboard.returnofreckoning.com/kill/64908855
We could go on for years showing killboards, but killboard screenshots are not proof of anything. Show us the real video of what happened, like I did.
There is no “godlike” player in this game who has never taken a solo death.
PS: The white lion is playing from south of Brazil
, no European PING.
Re: Nerf WH/WE into the ground
Posted: Tue Jun 09, 2026 10:13 pm
by Lescargo
lol at the duel against Solater is pretty close.
t's crazy that a stealth DPS def builded can almost hold their own against a visible DPS def builded.
it proves what we're saying: a stealth DPS hits as hard as a true DPS while having all the advantages of a stealth class and more.
Re: Nerf WH/WE into the ground
Posted: Tue Jun 09, 2026 10:26 pm
by lumpi33
Lescargo wrote: Tue Jun 09, 2026 10:13 pm
it proves what we're saying: a stealth DPS hits as hard as a true DPS while having all the advantages of a stealth class and more.
It actually hits harder. btw: WL has no heal debuff and no strong 150 stats debuffs and no self punt stagger and no 100% armor ignore and no 600 absorb after crit and no stealth and no disappear in front of everyone. They only thing they have over WEs is the pull on a buggy pet and medium armor. That's it. Bad deal. There are people saying "WE is the better loner WL".
Re: Nerf WH/WE into the ground
Posted: Tue Jun 09, 2026 10:49 pm
by Yellowemperor
lumpi33 wrote: Tue Jun 09, 2026 9:47 pm
These are two def regen WEs. I've looked up that fights on the killboard. It took him 18k and 19k damage to take them down.
They are like shadow tanks with better damage and lots of tools on top. When they use a regen potion together with their self regen and absorb they are insanely hard to take down. Balanced? lol... The WL was lucky that he is melee and WL is one of the stronger classes. As ranged dps they would fire Elixir of the Cauldron or m1 and become immune to their damage for 7s. Then you stand there like an idiot while they jump around and kill everything or just disappear before dying. There is a reason people keep complaining about them.
When a better WE opens on him he dies in seconds. That fight was probably over very fast:
https://killboard.returnofreckoning.com/kill/33743466
That was before the def WL buff last year and the Witchbrew nerf