Return of Reckoning

nocturnalguest wrote: Wed Aug 20, 2025 10:06 pm Its way better to actually ban solo/duo and force 3+ to q SCs, because SCs are group content no matter if q them solo or not. Learning comes from playing as a group. Solo roaming is way less skillful then 6v6 or real GvG. You use a word "premade", but its most likely you havent ever encountered one. If you actually joined in 2021 as you account says then you sadly miss out how active AoR/RoR premade scene has been. What you encounter since 2021 are in majority of cases casual lazy daddies grouped up to have fun. I have explained myself on a matter so many times that now ill try to put it as simple as i can - PREmade is a constant group of same players who PREdecide their roles, tactics and strategy, they do have everything scheduled, strict and totally hardcore. Such groups, especially after 6v6 mechanics change are close to none existant. I can literally only name 1 group that is to be called "premade" at the moment which is currently playing, inb4 we've had 10-15+ of such.

Murador wrote: Thu Aug 21, 2025 8:55 am

nocturnalguest wrote: Wed Aug 20, 2025 10:06 pm Its way better to actually ban solo/duo and force 3+ to q SCs, because SCs are group content no matter if q them solo or not. Learning comes from playing as a group. Solo roaming is way less skillful then 6v6 or real GvG. You use a word "premade", but its most likely you havent ever encountered one. If you actually joined in 2021 as you account says then you sadly miss out how active AoR/RoR premade scene has been. What you encounter since 2021 are in majority of cases casual lazy daddies grouped up to have fun. I have explained myself on a matter so many times that now ill try to put it as simple as i can - PREmade is a constant group of same players who PREdecide their roles, tactics and strategy, they do have everything scheduled, strict and totally hardcore. Such groups, especially after 6v6 mechanics change are close to none existant. I can literally only name 1 group that is to be called "premade" at the moment which is currently playing, inb4 we've had 10-15+ of such.

It might be true that I never encountered a full fleshed out premade - but that's clearly not needed to beat a group of solo queuing people. I can tell you one thing: If you make SCs only premade they will just die - like you said there are not enough people queueing for that - and probably one premade stomps the other resulting in them stopping to queue - you would need an a lot bigger pool of people interested in that so you could have a MMR based matchmaking for this. For a solo queue you actually need a lot less players to create a MMR based MM.

Some learning might come from playing in a group: but you are still in a group even in a solo SC - it might be harder to coordinate, but you still can. And if people enjoy these they might want to queue some premade SCs - you basically want to make the barrier of entry lower - not higher.

Murador wrote: Thu Aug 21, 2025 8:55 am

nocturnalguest wrote: Wed Aug 20, 2025 10:06 pm Its way better to actually ban solo/duo and force 3+ to q SCs, because SCs are group content no matter if q them solo or not. Learning comes from playing as a group. Solo roaming is way less skillful then 6v6 or real GvG. You use a word "premade", but its most likely you havent ever encountered one. If you actually joined in 2021 as you account says then you sadly miss out how active AoR/RoR premade scene has been. What you encounter since 2021 are in majority of cases casual lazy daddies grouped up to have fun. I have explained myself on a matter so many times that now ill try to put it as simple as i can - PREmade is a constant group of same players who PREdecide their roles, tactics and strategy, they do have everything scheduled, strict and totally hardcore. Such groups, especially after 6v6 mechanics change are close to none existant. I can literally only name 1 group that is to be called "premade" at the moment which is currently playing, inb4 we've had 10-15+ of such.

It might be true that I never encountered a full fleshed out premade - but that's clearly not needed to beat a group of solo queuing people. I can tell you one thing: If you make SCs only premade they will just die - like you said there are not enough people queueing for that - and probably one premade stomps the other resulting in them stopping to queue - you would need an a lot bigger pool of people interested in that so you could have a MMR based matchmaking for this. For a solo queue you actually need a lot less players to create a MMR based MM.

Some learning might come from playing in a group: but you are still in a group even in a solo SC - it might be harder to coordinate, but you still can. And if people enjoy these they might want to queue some premade SCs - you basically want to make the barrier of entry lower - not higher.