Return of Reckoning

Tisaya wrote: ↑Wed Aug 28, 2024 4:33 pm
Still, it's a meme tactic for which you have to give up something important, like +15% armor pen. I pay attention to other SW's and haven't noticed anyone else running it. Also, there was a video by some guy who used it and people derided him.

When you are going solo in rvr, it's pretty much a guaranteed pick. You won't use it in a premade tho.
With the same logic SH wouldn't slot their speed proc tactic. Skirmish is viable atm, so it is an easy choice to spec both trees.

I have stated many times that SH needs the auto attack haste removed from the pet for the tactic Shootin Quick and Drop that disarm needs to be moved to the SH similar to SW. These are the two most OP things for SH but other stuff was changed. I don't really want to get into healers atm, but sham is strong.

Tisaya wrote: ↑Wed Aug 28, 2024 4:22 pm

what63 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 28, 2024 11:37 am Just another example of someone wanting utility picks to be all damage. SW at the very least needs the speedboost to be entirely removed, it's just hilariously over the top, and the crit damage toggle to be gone as well.

Guerilla training is barely used by anyone as it's extremely clunky, unreliable and wastes a valuable tactic slot. Steady aim has drawbacks too, significantly increasing ap costs. Compare this to goblins who just slot tactics for speed boost + -25% from all sources and forget about them. No player input required, no drawbacks.

How is it clunky? You got 100% uptime of speedboost and not like you have to time anything, just be clicking on stance change and thats it. Goblins speedtactic is whit cooldown and comes whit chance to activate it so it might activate at the wrong time.
Shadowwarriors on the other hand can be activate when wanted and even be up 100% whit ZERO drawbacks

Panzer80 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 29, 2024 1:44 am ...I don't really want to get into healers atm, but sham is strong.

Their dps spec was stronger on live.

Sulorie wrote: ↑Thu Aug 29, 2024 5:59 am

Panzer80 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 29, 2024 1:44 am ...I don't really want to get into healers atm, but sham is strong.

Their dps spec was stronger on live.

Shaman internet defence force reporting for duty

salazarn wrote: ↑Thu Aug 29, 2024 1:55 pm

Sulorie wrote: ↑Thu Aug 29, 2024 5:59 am
Their dps spec was stronger on live.

Shaman internet defence force reporting for duty

We both know that you are quite biased on this topic, since your most active thread is pretty telling.

salazarn wrote: ↑Thu Aug 29, 2024 1:55 pm

Sulorie wrote: ↑Thu Aug 29, 2024 5:59 am

Panzer80 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 29, 2024 1:44 am ...I don't really want to get into healers atm, but sham is strong.

Their dps spec was stronger on live.

Shaman internet defence force reporting for duty

Well, I mean, there most certainly are things wrong, that make them work too well outside of the group DPS role, mainly the stuff that lets them heal a touch too well compared to before. The mechanic change along with on the move Gork'll Fix It with no tactic investment, even in DPS/hybrid, is too much. Could also argue that the general crit tactic should only provide magic crit as well.

The mechanic is frankly unfixable and generally speaking its only real interaction with the kit outside of enabling FoDG in groups is to provide too much healing in the pug DPS context, but most of the others are within reach. The movement component could be moved to a tactic along the lines of Balanced Mending.

RP/Zealot are probably by far the most balanced DPS healers insofar as not screwing up the game in RvR goes, Sham/AM should at the very least not exceed these in sustain given their higher damage.

Sulorie wrote: ↑Thu Aug 29, 2024 3:50 pm

salazarn wrote: ↑Thu Aug 29, 2024 1:55 pm

Sulorie wrote: ↑Thu Aug 29, 2024 5:59 am
Their dps spec was stronger on live.

Shaman internet defence force reporting for duty

We both know that you are quite biased on this topic, since your most active thread is pretty telling.

Why is thinking they are OP a sign of bias?

Playing one is however a sign of bias

salazarn wrote: ↑Fri Aug 30, 2024 1:31 pm

Sulorie wrote: ↑Thu Aug 29, 2024 3:50 pm

salazarn wrote: ↑Thu Aug 29, 2024 1:55 pm

Shaman internet defence force reporting for duty

We both know that you are quite biased on this topic, since your most active thread is pretty telling.

Why is thinking they are OP a sign of bias?

Playing one is however a sign of bias

When the highest active thread is about requesting a nerf for shamans, while giving no reasonable arguments, no numbers or detailed analysis.
The type of shaman you were describing wasn't even DPS spec, it was more like a hybrid.
When you start such threads with phrases like "Common knowledge they are too strong" then I think calling it bias is not too far fetched. ;^)

Sulorie wrote: ↑Fri Aug 30, 2024 2:20 pm

salazarn wrote: ↑Fri Aug 30, 2024 1:31 pm

Sulorie wrote: ↑Thu Aug 29, 2024 3:50 pm
We both know that you are quite biased on this topic, since your most active thread is pretty telling.

Why is thinking they are OP a sign of bias?

Playing one is however a sign of bias

When the highest active thread is about requesting a nerf for shamans, while giving no reasonable arguments, no numbers or detailed analysis.
The type of shaman you were describing wasn't even DPS spec, it was more like a hybrid.
When you start such threads with phrases like "Common knowledge they are too strong" then I think calling it bias is not too far fetched. ;^)

It is common knowledge. Anyone except crusty shaman veterans can see their class is the default training-wheels class for roam

As for bias I have no vested interest in getting them nerfed beyond wanting to enjoy roaming in this game