Make sc queue like city

[kirraha]

Stop calling it lazy. I hate this bias you groupies have towards your beloved 6 man carrying you. Some of us do not like interacting with other people. That is why we play video games. NOT to interact with people that are hung up on their egos, like you!

Why are you even playing an MMO if you're that antisocial?

I do not play with people who have inflated egos and I am anti social? Bold of you to assume this.
I have a selected group of friends in both realms that I talk with almost all night that I am logged in. We are very social with each other. Just not egomaniacs!
I refuse to group with or play with toxic people who trash other players because an SC was lost. Sadly way too many of those and they all form pick up groups. So I play solo.

Mb. I assumed from what you wrote that you didnt team up with other ppl. Its ofc obvious we all play with ppl we get along with.

I thought you were complaining on playing an mmo solo.

[Everdin]

I do not get bothered or heated to often to the point where I say screw it and just walk away, but last night was one of those nights. No matter t1, (t2/t3), t4 scs it was a beating. Pugging the entire night against premades was beyond ridiculous.

Even in the lakes their were only 2 wbs of order roaming which both had Autoband so if you tried joining them you were autokicked because they did not need a tank. So i pugged scs. I finally switched to my t1 Blackguard late last night (EST) same thing then on that side. When and/if a T1 SC popped it was a premade of order. I have zero idea why in T1 there were 2 premades one of order and the other of destro and never did you get in an SC that they were taking on each other.

I was super close to just pushing this game back into the closet of my hard drive again for a few months. I am over loans and business development for a multi-billion dollar company so my days are filled with huge amounts of stress, I play games to calm my nerves not agitate them. I get the fact not one dev cares about us Americans as they are asleep when we are even playing, but the low pop in NA and the one sidedness of the lakes will force us to have to do Scenario's if we can not find a friend or WB online to run with.

Scenario's do need to be looked at especially in T1. There were 2 toons talking last night saying how they were brand new to the game and asked if this was like the entirety of the game just getting hammered? I told them unfortunately if they do not make friends quick and "git gud" as the pixel try hards here say it will be like that for a while until they can get better gear. Plus, if they go to the forums, the forum troll warriors will just tell them to find another game.

Did we lose them, probably? Will they be back, probably not.

ps. Probably, the reason this weekend has caused me to rethink this game is also because the event SC is my least favorite in the game, so I am biased that way this weekend as well

Yesterday I played t1 as well, I met a few guys that played sc with me full of healers and tanks and no dps...they asked me: "Is this game all about solo running scenarios without dps and only tanks and heals so noone die in the sc?" And I invite them to a group and we qued with 2:2:2, but they claimed that Gates of Ekrund is their favourit SC, they always played this with their mom and dad on live server while "jimmy the Cat" always watched them from it's place...unfortunately jimmy died last year and if they can't play Gates of Ekrund with a group they would stop playing. PLEASE REMOVE PUG from Gates of Ekrund or we will loose new player...

To be serious, assuming your story isn't completly made up:
If I would start a new game and playing for 2 hours and not be able to groundstomp my enemys, I would think this is completly normal, especially if the game is old and I know their are much more expirenced players then me.
Even if they are new, they sure know it's an MMORPG, they are maybe to shy to build a group, but I'm sure not every new player will think about "Why are there groups in this game?"
And the biggest problem: YOU
They ask if this will always be the case, and you hit them fully with:
"Yeah, sure, you will never reach this guys until you git gud and exit reallife, and btw, if you put effort in this game like others do, snowflakes like me will call you tryhard"
Instead of maybe:
"It takes a little time until you get everything right here and know how to avoid damage, try queing Gates of Ekrund for the beginning or find others to group up with you, thats how you can learn basic groupplay that will help you and you will benefit from it in t2/t3"

[Emissary]

I do not get bothered or heated to often to the point where I say screw it and just walk away, but last night was one of those nights. No matter t1, (t2/t3), t4 scs it was a beating. Pugging the entire night against premades was beyond ridiculous.

Even in the lakes their were only 2 wbs of order roaming which both had Autoband so if you tried joining them you were autokicked because they did not need a tank. So i pugged scs. I finally switched to my t1 Blackguard late last night (EST) same thing then on that side. When and/if a T1 SC popped it was a premade of order. I have zero idea why in T1 there were 2 premades one of order and the other of destro and never did you get in an SC that they were taking on each other.

I was super close to just pushing this game back into the closet of my hard drive again for a few months. I am over loans and business development for a multi-billion dollar company so my days are filled with huge amounts of stress, I play games to calm my nerves not agitate them. I get the fact not one dev cares about us Americans as they are asleep when we are even playing, but the low pop in NA and the one sidedness of the lakes will force us to have to do Scenario's if we can not find a friend or WB online to run with.

Scenario's do need to be looked at especially in T1. There were 2 toons talking last night saying how they were brand new to the game and asked if this was like the entirety of the game just getting hammered? I told them unfortunately if they do not make friends quick and "git gud" as the pixel try hards here say it will be like that for a while until they can get better gear. Plus, if they go to the forums, the forum troll warriors will just tell them to find another game.

Did we lose them, probably? Will they be back, probably not.

ps. Probably, the reason this weekend has caused me to rethink this game is also because the event SC is my least favorite in the game, so I am biased that way this weekend as well

Yesterday I played t1 as well, I met a few guys that played sc with me full of healers and tanks and no dps...they asked me: "Is this game all about solo running scenarios without dps and only tanks and heals so noone die in the sc?" And I invite them to a group and we qued with 2:2:2, but they claimed that Gates of Ekrund is their favourit SC, they always played this with their mom and dad on live server while "jimmy the Cat" always watched them from it's place...unfortunately jimmy died last year and if they can't play Gates of Ekrund with a group they would stop playing. PLEASE REMOVE PUG from Gates of Ekrund or we will loose new player...

To be serious, assuming your story isn't completly made up:
If I would start a new game and playing for 2 hours and not be able to groundstomp my enemys, I would think this is completly normal, especially if the game is old and I know their are much more expirenced players then me.
Even if they are new, they sure know it's an MMORPG, they are maybe to shy to build a group, but I'm sure not every new player will think about "Why are there groups in this game?"
And the biggest problem: YOU
They ask if this will always be the case, and you hit them fully with:
"Yeah, sure, you will never reach this guys until you git gud and exit reallife, and btw, if you put effort in this game like others do, snowflakes like me will call you tryhard"
Instead of maybe:
"It takes a little time until you get everything right here and know how to avoid damage, try queing Gates of Ekrund for the beginning or find others to group up with you, thats how you can learn basic groupplay that will help you and you will benefit from it in t2/t3"

Awesome that you know me already after this post. I have played this game since 2008 had multiple rr100 toons. I know how the game works, i know how you can win some and lose some, I have also seen way more of my share of friends come and go from this game. I even (PS) my post with the fact it was Stonetroll Crossing that most likely got me so down since i despise that SC more than any other.

"And the biggest problem: YOU"

Thanks for your opinion. You're opinion matters absolutely nothing to me but thank you anyways.
I didn't ask your opinion or care to hear it, I was stating my opinion (not to you) and something that happened while I was playing. Sure I could have said, "come here my little children and let Daddy rock you in his arms, until you get there." Ten years ago I would have done that like I did for years, today I am older and do not have the time for it.

"Yeah, sure, you will never reach this guys until you git gud and exit reallife, and btw, if you put effort in this game like others do, snowflakes like me will call you tryhard"

Not what I said at all but good reading skills anyways, next

[Everdin]

*snip*

Awesome that you know me already after this post. I have played this game since 2008 had multiple rr100 toons. I know how the game works, i know how you can win some and lose some, I have also seen way more of my share of friends come and go from this game. I even (PS) my post with the fact it was Stonetroll Crossing that most likely got me so down since i despise that SC more than any other.

"And the biggest problem: YOU"

Thanks for your opinion. You're opinion matters absolutely nothing to me but thank you anyways.
I didn't ask your opinion or care to hear it, I was stating my opinion (not to you) and something that happened while I was playing. Sure I could have said, "come here my little children and let Daddy rock you in his arms, until you get there." Ten years ago I would have done that like I did for years, today I am older and do not have the time for it.

"Yeah, sure, you will never reach this guys until you git gud and exit reallife, and btw, if you put effort in this game like others do, snowflakes like me will call you tryhard"

Not what I said at all but good reading skills anyways, next

Multiple rr100, wow after I read this I have a completele new point of view on the situation....not. No idea what this information contributes here, but just in case, I only had a rr90IB and RR80 Slayer, am I now disqualified to react on a forum post of such a grandmaster of the game?

It's not my opinion about you that counts, it's the opinion of the new players that matters here. You can handle such situations three ways. Ignore them, Motivate them, or, like you do, discourage them.

You didn't say what I wrote, thats true, but tell me what makes:

I told them unfortunately if they do not make friends quick and "git gud" as the pixel try hards here say it will be like that for a while until they can get better gear. Plus, if they go to the forums, the forum troll warriors will just tell them to find another game.

better? If you don't have the time to take care, just use your own word above "... you can win some and lose some ..." or please do us a favor and ignore them next time instead of making them biased so they see toxicity everywhere .

ps.: Yeah, Stonetroll causes this feelings in many of us, always feels a little bit like hide and seek

[Morradin]

Why are you even playing an MMO if you're that antisocial?

I do not play with people who have inflated egos and I am anti social? Bold of you to assume this.
I have a selected group of friends in both realms that I talk with almost all night that I am logged in. We are very social with each other. Just not egomaniacs!
I refuse to group with or play with toxic people who trash other players because an SC was lost. Sadly way too many of those and they all form pick up groups. So I play solo.

Mb. I assumed from what you wrote that you didnt team up with other ppl. Its ofc obvious we all play with ppl we get along with.

I thought you were complaining on playing an mmo solo.

I do play solo most of the time, and I will group up with friends when they log on.

No I am not complaining. What I am doing is watching people who play with a dedicated 6 man, that knows how each other work, and with voice coms, get bent when some solo pugger says anything about how the system is bent.

People like you have all the advantages and the devs have even given you solo pugs to fight and beat up on. Yet here you are trying to browbeat people into thinking you do not have the devs propping you up.

Edit: My friends and I have been playing together since live. We KNOW how each other plays and fights. And yes it is a great advantage. Want to know why we get disgusted with SC's? Because after 5 sc's of nothing but solo pugs to beat on we are bored. We get a match up against another premade maybe once an hour (on a good night). Some nights, some of us play the order and some play destro and we all solo que. Of course we do not fight each other, because the system always matches us against other premades.

[hriam123]

Edit: My friends and I have been playing together since live. We KNOW how each other plays and fights. And yes it is a great advantage. Want to know why we get disgusted with SC's? Because after 5 sc's of nothing but solo pugs to beat on we are bored. We get a match up against another premade maybe once an hour (on a good night). Some nights, some of us play the order and some play destro and we all solo que. Of course we do not fight each other, because the system always matches us against other premades.

Thats i meaned. Maybe queue system need little rework? If premade queue he get 90% pugs, because all opposite premades in sc already. And system fill opposite side with pugs. Maybe add some wait time for premades if here no opposite premades in queue (like 5 min for example, not much ). So premades can get premades more often and pugs get more pugs. All happy.

[Rubius]

Thats i meaned. Maybe queue system need little rework? If premade queue he get 90% pugs, because all opposite premades in sc already. And system fill opposite side with pugs. Maybe add some wait time for premades if here no opposite premades in queue (like 5 min for example, not much ). So premades can get premades more often and pugs get more pugs. All happy.

In theory it sounds nice, but I think in practice this just results in longer wait times for all parties involved.

Imagine you have 12 pugs solo queued on Destro's side, and 3 pugs and then premades on Order's side.

In this situation, even a five minute wait would be adding five minutes after each scenario before the next one pops.

And, even after that wait, the end result is the same: pugs hit the same premade, likely lose to it, only now everyone is spending less time doing PvP and more time sitting around waiting.

During really high population moments I think your idea works, but the reality is that if we're thinking about the various brackets (T1, 2-3, 4) and then considering lower population moments, it causes everyone to wait.

[hriam123]

Thats i meaned. Maybe queue system need little rework? If premade queue he get 90% pugs, because all opposite premades in sc already. And system fill opposite side with pugs. Maybe add some wait time for premades if here no opposite premades in queue (like 5 min for example, not much ). So premades can get premades more often and pugs get more pugs. All happy.

In theory it sounds nice, but I think in practice this just results in longer wait times for all parties involved.

Imagine you have 12 pugs solo queued on Destro's side, and 3 pugs and then premades on Order's side.

In this situation, even a five minute wait would be adding five minutes after each scenario before the next one pops.

And, even after that wait, the end result is the same: pugs hit the same premade, likely lose to it, only now everyone is spending less time doing PvP and more time sitting around waiting.

During really high population moments I think your idea works, but the reality is that if we're thinking about the various brackets (T1, 2-3, 4) and then considering lower population moments, it causes everyone to wait.

Ranked allow mix sides if there low numbers in queue. So that one of ways. Low population? Disable wait time and vice versa.

[kirraha]

I do not play with people who have inflated egos and I am anti social? Bold of you to assume this.
I have a selected group of friends in both realms that I talk with almost all night that I am logged in. We are very social with each other. Just not egomaniacs!
I refuse to group with or play with toxic people who trash other players because an SC was lost. Sadly way too many of those and they all form pick up groups. So I play solo.

Mb. I assumed from what you wrote that you didnt team up with other ppl. Its ofc obvious we all play with ppl we get along with.

I thought you were complaining on playing an mmo solo.

I do play solo most of the time, and I will group up with friends when they log on.

No I am not complaining. What I am doing is watching people who play with a dedicated 6 man, that knows how each other work, and with voice coms, get bent when some solo pugger says anything about how the system is bent.

People like you have all the advantages and the devs have even given you solo pugs to fight and beat up on. Yet here you are trying to browbeat people into thinking you do not have the devs propping you up.

Edit: My friends and I have been playing together since live. We KNOW how each other plays and fights. And yes it is a great advantage. Want to know why we get disgusted with SC's? Because after 5 sc's of nothing but solo pugs to beat on we are bored. We get a match up against another premade maybe once an hour (on a good night). Some nights, some of us play the order and some play destro and we all solo que. Of course we do not fight each other, because the system always matches us against other premades.

Its just basic that ppl who play in same team, do coms etc should nail other grp with same numbers to the ground imo. You should have had the practise and getting together enough and if you are a good setup with good mentality and get along. Yea they system dont recordnize dedicated 6mn and random 6man. There is always a flaw in every system. The few times I que for city for example, I have qued solo cus its the easiest way to hopefully get a bag or two. The city itself, its just a boring endgame material. It used to be very fun at the start with some rly good fights, but now it has grown to a lazy extra content.

[rejndjer]

dunno if anyone recommended this already, but why not just make premades queue versus premades, pugs queue versus pugs, problem solved? or simply give people the ability to queue only versus other solo players like you have in dota2. you have checkbox in options which when checked prevents you from getting matched versus premades.