Re: To give rdps CC before tanks should have been questionab
Posted: Sun May 03, 2015 6:14 pm
by Luth
Tesq wrote:1kobs, 1IB 2x slayer and 2x wp where a premade for some reason........
Some could say the same about 1x chosen, 1x bo/bg, 2x marauder, 2x dok.
I'm working on a buff/debuff sheet, that is showing (among other things) the debuffs of classes and the possiblities of healers to cleanse them. It's on hold till the combat rework is done, so i know which debuffs are cleansable (tooltips are mostly not very informative).
In the case of my upper example only the debuffs from the chosen and/or the BG could be cleansed by 2x WP setup, not a single debuff from the marauders (and these are the deadly ones).
This makes 2x WP not very favourable imo.
Tesq wrote:
btw 10 crit resistce debuff it's almost the same to buff 10% crit chance, healer do not fight anyway....so what the point to point that luth?
Everything that buffs critchances, buffs healcrit chances too (except stated otherwise, e.g. only meee crit chance). Dirty tricks buffs healcrit chances by 10% too.
I did already wrote, why the strength aura is weak in my opinion (or useless because of better ones).
Tesq wrote:
m2/m3 just the same still not suppose to be there, why he got a mirror from IB with no reason? kobs mirror classes should be BG and chosen.....
I still fail to see what you mean with "mirror from ib", as the ib has no aoe moral root.
Re: To give rdps CC before tanks should have been questionab
Posted: Sun May 03, 2015 6:24 pm
by Coryphaus
drmordread wrote:The reason why most order play RDPS is because the MDPS mechanics are for crap or broken still in t1. I have a WH and a WL. Will not RvR with them till t2 opens up. In the meantime will stick to my AM and SW on Order. If I get into a good 6 man where the healer knows how to heal I may play my WH. Otherwise.... it is Lolsyou and Whisperrss all the way!
On destro I usually play either my dok or my mara. Because in t1 they are playable.
Your explenation makes no sense, so ordo wont run melee b/c bugged melee combat but destro will, further more you wont play wh but you will play mara who suffers just as much
Re: To give rdps CC before tanks should have been questionab
Posted: Sun May 03, 2015 6:55 pm
by Tesq
Spoiler:
Luth wrote:
Tesq wrote:1kobs, 1IB 2x slayer and 2x wp where a premade for some reason........
Some could say the same about 1x chosen, 1x bo/bg, 2x marauder, 2x dok.
I'm working on a buff/debuff sheet, that is showing (among other things) the debuffs of classes and the possiblities of healers to cleanse them. It's on hold till the combat rework is done, so i know which debuffs are cleansable (tooltips are mostly not very informative).
In the case of my upper example only the debuffs from the chosen and/or the BG could be cleansed by 2x WP setup, not a single debuff from the marauders (and these are the deadly ones).
This makes 2x WP not very favourable imo.
Tesq wrote:
btw 10 crit resistce debuff it's almost the same to buff 10% crit chance, healer do not fight anyway....so what the point to point that luth?
Everything that buffs critchances, buffs healcrit chances too (except stated otherwise, e.g. only meee crit chance). Dirty tricks buffs healcrit chances by 10% too.
I did already wrote, why the strength aura is weak in my opinion (or useless because of better ones).
Tesq wrote:
m2/m3 just the same still not suppose to be there, why he got a mirror from IB with no reason? kobs mirror classes should be BG and chosen.....
I still fail to see what you mean with "mirror from ib", as the ib has no aoe moral root.
seems we have different point of view on strengh aura in that kind of premade. But is not my intention to start flame but i didnt understand your point of view, for those strength vs tough auras issue.
OH cool so you add the fact that Kobs fuff too 10% crit chance!! wonderfull i don't now that -.-
luth you are a good person, but keaven gave us the test of each melee dps in game
slayer 3.0k AOE damage
marauder 3.5 single target damage
You could tell me ID cannot be cleanse, still mara had PB bugged so? how it end? at the end of the day if ID got no clease slayer still do 3+ k damage aoe, while mara after fix that bug, get in the same bracked as White lion.
Still there are other issue with wp vs dok and slayer vs mara, what about shatter limbs? wp tovl jew that are healing while dok are not healing? Then as you said, kobs buff 10 crit chance (even to heal) and then increase base heal +15%
Re: To give rdps CC before tanks should have been questionab
Posted: Sun May 03, 2015 7:27 pm
by Luth
Yes the IB has a M1 root, but it is single target, so i can't see the mirror.
I'm in no way interested in staring a flame war either, i'm just posting my opinions on some pixel warriors in a game that we all like.
Imo +10% critchance for the group is a very valuable tactic, but "+10% enemies more likely to be crit" bound to an underwhelming aura is not very valuable.
But this is complaining on high level, as any SM would probably take the aura+tactic over almost any stuff they normally get.
Re: To give rdps CC before tanks should have been questionab
Posted: Sun May 03, 2015 7:38 pm
by Tesq
Luth Ib have 2 morals
1) champion challenge is the ST root ( each tank have it)
2) then there is "Rock clucth " ( 3rd moral 1 from left) ": do 600 damage to your target and root "them" in place for 10 sec. http://waronlinebuilder.org/#career=ib; ... 3748:0:0:0:
Put some glasses fellas you need to look better
P.S ye that "target" should be "targets" it's write bad but it's an aoe root.
Re: To give rdps CC before tanks should have been questionab
Posted: Sun May 03, 2015 7:50 pm
by Luth
Spoiler:
Tesq wrote:Luth Ib have 2 morals
1) champion challenge is the ST root ( each tank have it)
2) then there is "Rock clucth " ( 3rd moral 1 from left) ": do 600 damage to your target and root "them" in place for 10 sec. http://waronlinebuilder.org/#career=ib; ... 3748:0:0:0:
Put some glasses fellas you need to look better
P.S ye that "target" should be "targets" it's write bad but it's an aoe root.
I played an IB on the mythic server, i could never root more then one target with rock clutch. It also required a target to use it and couldn't be fired blindly like aoe. The 5 feet range is also a bit tiny for aoe.
Re: To give rdps CC before tanks should have been questionab
Posted: Sun May 03, 2015 7:56 pm
by Tesq
Luth wrote:
Spoiler:
Tesq wrote:Luth Ib have 2 morals
1) champion challenge is the ST root ( each tank have it)
2) then there is "Rock clucth " ( 3rd moral 1 from left) ": do 600 damage to your target and root "them" in place for 10 sec. http://waronlinebuilder.org/#career=ib; ... 3748:0:0:0:
Put some glasses fellas you need to look better
P.S ye that "target" should be "targets" it's write bad but it's an aoe root.
I played an IB on the mythic server, i could never root more then one target with rock clutch. It also required a target to use it and couldn't be fired blindly like aoe. The 5 feet range is also a bit tiny for aoe.
This souds strange to me, i always got root aoe by the IB
Re: To give rdps CC before tanks should have been questionab
Posted: Sun May 03, 2015 7:56 pm
by Azarael
Um, Tesq, in English the pronouns deriving from "they" (their, them, etc) can be used to refer to a single person without communicating their gender
Re: To give rdps CC before tanks should have been questionab
Posted: Sun May 03, 2015 8:01 pm
by Tesq
If it's that way, it's even worse so, it's just another original kobs skill mirrored from nowhere, and ib have less cc than i tough....
Re: To give rdps CC before tanks should have been questionab
Posted: Sun May 03, 2015 8:06 pm
by Luth
There are many morales not mirrored to be found on both factions, e.g.:
