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peterthepan3
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Re: [Choppa] Defensive priority

Post#61 » Fri Jun 16, 2017 3:45 pm

tazdingo wrote:
lilsabin wrote:
tazdingo wrote:
stunty talk

chop till you drop
kill fasta
die a hilarious death
praise gork ok
what is the fun in having a class that MIGHT kill only one enemy and then die ? i mean , isnt the goal of the game to get rid of enemies more then u can die ?
i always thought the goal of video games was to enjoy yourself
choppa will never be worth lvling for meta players whilst WL exists, so if you wanna play it just get drunk and go hit something

That's absolute nonsense: the strongest premade on Destro right now consists of a Choppa (Ripgor). Most Choppas just don't play the class to its maximum potential/spend 90% of their time talking about stuntiez and lil gits.
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Re: [Choppa] Defensive priority

Post#62 » Fri Jun 16, 2017 3:54 pm

peterthepan3 wrote:
tazdingo wrote:
lilsabin wrote:
what is the fun in having a class that MIGHT kill only one enemy and then die ? i mean , isnt the goal of the game to get rid of enemies more then u can die ?
i always thought the goal of video games was to enjoy yourself
choppa will never be worth lvling for meta players whilst WL exists, so if you wanna play it just get drunk and go hit something

That's absolute nonsense: the strongest premade on Destro right now consists of a Choppa (Ripgor). Most Choppas just don't play the class to its maximum potential/spend 90% of their time talking about stuntiez and lil gits.
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Re: [Choppa] Defensive priority

Post#63 » Fri Jun 16, 2017 4:17 pm

peterthepan3 wrote:
tazdingo wrote:
lilsabin wrote:
what is the fun in having a class that MIGHT kill only one enemy and then die ? i mean , isnt the goal of the game to get rid of enemies more then u can die ?
i always thought the goal of video games was to enjoy yourself
choppa will never be worth lvling for meta players whilst WL exists, so if you wanna play it just get drunk and go hit something

That's absolute nonsense: the strongest premade on Destro right now consists of a Choppa (Ripgor). Most Choppas just don't play the class to its maximum potential/spend 90% of their time talking about stuntiez and lil gits.
Tbh it would be the strongest if he played a SH, Sorc, WE, Mara, Magus or dps DoK aswell, It has nothing to do with the Choppa as a class
These, "1 guy can makee it work" arguments are terrible for the sake of overall ballancee discussions. It doesn't say anything about the overall ballance of a class just that a player is good. He could probobly make a dps BG take a dps spot aswell.
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Re: [Choppa] Defensive priority

Post#64 » Fri Jun 16, 2017 4:23 pm

I agree, but the fact is that their destro premade are yet to be beaten - and they make use of a Choppa - which puts to bed this notion of the Choppa being useless/not able to conform in the meta.
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Re: [Choppa] Defensive priority

Post#65 » Fri Jun 16, 2017 4:34 pm

I feel like Choppas suffer from "Engi-syndrome" to an extent. Both classes attract a lot of players whom have fun through methods other than being the top competitor on the server: roleplaying, etc. So that's why we get a lot of tinker/grenadier engis, when rifleman is probably the better spec for actually killing people, and why we get a lot of choppas focused on their faux-cockney nonsense speech rather than actually killing people down with...whatever buttons they press besides "git to da choppa!" outside a flag in Ekrund.

Compare Engis to Magus, which has a number of players more dedicated to being a good rdps (Nuclearpotato, Riftbeardz, Technomork to some extent, and so on) and while those Engis are having fun in their own way, they're not necessarily playing the class to the fullest in terms of bursting down targets. Similarly, compare your average semi-RPing Choppa to some of the Witch Elves and Marauders on destro (Sotora, Nicelook, Mieles, Inikah) and you see that while everyone's having some kind of fun, you're way less likely to see a marauder or a witch elf RPing like that, and so they're a bit more focused on killing targets and not dying than they are on RPing a certain sort of character.

Not to say there aren't good choppas (Ripgor, Chopmaster both come to mind) but the orc/goblin classes attract RPers, similar to the Dwarf classes (makes sense, both factions have rather dedicated fanbases in the table-top, and active light-RP guilds on RoR) and so sometimes you see them playing in ways that make less sense to more competitively minded players.
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Re: [Choppa] Defensive priority

Post#66 » Fri Jun 16, 2017 4:37 pm

peterthepan3 wrote:I agree, but the fact is that their destro premade are yet to be beaten - and they make use of a Choppa - which puts to bed this notion of the Choppa being useless/not able to conform in the meta.
It is pretty useless tbh.
Evrything Choppa can do every other mdps can do better. So you got a squishy mdps thats meant to be the highest raw melee dps class, that does equal or less dmg then other mdps classes in the game. Something just is extremly off with the class design. Slayer just have a better set of skills and tactics and builds options which makes alot more sence That makes em alot more relevant. While Choppa have pretty much have evrything good about em nerfed.
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Re: [Choppa] Defensive priority

Post#67 » Fri Jun 16, 2017 4:53 pm

peterthepan3 wrote:I agree, but the fact is that their destro premade are yet to be beaten - and they make use of a Choppa - which puts to bed this notion of the Choppa being useless/not able to conform in the meta.
i never said choppa was useless or noncompetitive, it's just worse than WL and mara for anything outside of what is likely a very specific 6's setup, that already being a format that barely anybody plays these days

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Re: [Choppa] Defensive priority

Post#68 » Fri Jun 16, 2017 4:59 pm

tazdingo wrote:
peterthepan3 wrote:I agree, but the fact is that their destro premade are yet to be beaten - and they make use of a Choppa - which puts to bed this notion of the Choppa being useless/not able to conform in the meta.
i never said choppa was useless or noncompetitive, it's just worse than WL and mara for anything outside of what is likely a very specific 6's setup, that already being a format that barely anybody plays these days

If there was dynamic damage the career mechanic wouldn't be as lackluster which'd even the odds alot.
So its more a tech issue than class specific stuff atm, tbh.

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Re: [Choppa] Defensive priority

Post#69 » Fri Jun 16, 2017 5:02 pm

I'd like to see the 2h wounds debuff from slayer mirrored on choppa in place of the outgoing heal debuff which is never needed since Bg can provide it for you and remove it from Mara



In fortunalty we can't see the really nice stuff like the 50% aa haste cross mirrored becuase choppa already has group aa haste
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Re: [Choppa] Defensive priority

Post#70 » Fri Jun 16, 2017 6:10 pm

TenTonHammer wrote:I'd like to see the 2h wounds debuff from slayer mirrored on choppa in place of the outgoing heal debuff which is never needed since Bg can provide it for you and remove it from Mara



In fortunalty we can't see the really nice stuff like the 50% aa haste cross mirrored becuase choppa already has group aa haste

And access to a myriad of procs, 2 from DoKs [yeah, ICD - bleh, not on live] and 2 from Sorcs [FT + TtD; possible on RoR while running full ST setup by virtue of non-dynamic buffs].
The procs on destro are the reason destro classes lack haste tactics across the board - mythic wasn't entirely inept -, its part of the realm specifics.

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