Pug Sc options [Poll]

[Nekkma]

Population is not low because premades "stomp over and over on casual players".

The best thing on live was that pretty much everyone ran premades regardless of level of skill. This bs that casual players should not run premades has to stop. Casual players should run premades but should not worry about min/max and always running perfect comp/speccs. Thye should play in premades becuase the game is much more fun when you play with your friends in decent comps.

population is much lower than live, leading to you running into the same groups often. If order is constantly running 2 melee trains premades chances are you are gonna run into one of them more times than not even in EU time.

On live you had hundreds of people in que and tons of diff groups/pugs. At least when i played before the mega server (ded gaem).

Indeed, that is exactly what i said in my earlier post. That is why pug scenarios is a terrible idea right now.

[Tesq]

ppl run premade because the game had to be payed so ppl optimized their time with preamdes for win, rather than play better or to have a better fun or because the game supposed to be played that way.

that's not the case anymore

[7rere7]

Population is not low because premades "stomp over and over on casual players".

The best thing on live was that pretty much everyone ran premades regardless of level of skill. This bs that casual players should not run premades has to stop. Casual players should run premades but should not worry about min/max and always running perfect comp/speccs. Thye should play in premades becuase the game is much more fun when you play with your friends in decent comps.

If casual players majority of the time are being stomped by skilled premades until they stop queing for SC's ,then they are taken completely out of a fun part of the game,(SC). That wouldn't effect casual player population.....OK sure ,prove it ?
Can you even prove how a SC's change favoring casual players would "produce terrible results" ?
My main point was not against casual players grouping up against better skilled premades but that premades effect game population!

[Nekkma]

First: Skilled is not "premade". Casual is not "pugs". Skilled players will always stomp people less skilled. This will not change with this suggestion and the faction with less skilled players quing at that time, or healers and tanks will keep losing scenario after scenario. Just as they do today.

Second: No, I cannot "prove" my claim but neither can you so the entire notion of having to "prove" something in a discussion is silly. If anything you have the burden of proof as you made your claim first. Two negative outcomes from other games has already been provided as examples in games with much healthier poulation than this one I might add.

[7rere7]

First: Skilled is not "premade". Casual is not "pugs". Skilled players will always stomp people less skilled. This will not change with this suggestion and the faction with less skilled players, or healers and tanks will keep losing scenario after scenario. Just as they do today.

Second: No, I cannot "prove" my claim but neither can you so the entire notion of having to "prove" something in a discussion is silly. If anything you have the burden of proof as you made your claim first. Two negative outcomes from other games has already been provided as examples in games with much healthier poulation than this one I might add.

Its proven in your previous post where you said that even average grouped players getting stomped by premades ,will eventually not Q for SC's .
Obviously that big of a negative effect would produce a negative reaction ,which would result in game decrease population! If players are forced out of SC's a good part of the game is gone for them!
if you feel like everyone is ok to be tortured by premades in SC's without wanting to quit,I think your terribly wrong there!
Im not going to get into the particular's of a pug / casual player is defined as !

[Nekkma]

I think you do not know what proving something means. I did not prove anything. I argued that the suggested changes would produce a situation where the only scenario that pops is the pug one. As I believe this game is best when you play in a fairly decent comp such a result would make the game worse.

[Satoq]

Ad, where's the option "remove sc's all together"?

[saupreusse]

Thing is: lots of players don't want to/cant play in a premade, and this will not change. You should not change the player, but the system. I don't say that players shouldn't Form grps and premades, ofc they should! The game is a grp Game. But there will always be a lot of ppl in the solo q.

[7rere7]

I think you do not know what proving something means. I did not prove anything. I argued that the suggested changes would produce a situation where the only scenario that pops is the pug one. As I believe this game is best when you play in a fairly decent comp such a result would make the game worse.

But the majority of players suffer at the current state of the game more so then the minority of group players not getting SC's pops! If players don't get their SC Q ,then take it to RVR where there is very high comp to be had!!

Your believe of comp doesn't exist right now in SC's ....that's why there is this thread! There's probably enough comp groups to have Q pops but if they don't pop it might be cause pres don't want to loose . That's a player insecure issue not a gaming one , tuff luck !

[7rere7]

Ad, where's the option "remove sc's all together"?

No SC's would turn RVR into 12 man to full premade warbands . Option: remove game all together!