Destro are... mean?

[Penril]

So people leaching Gold, XP, Drops etz are ok, but people killing people thats flagged for PVP isn't ok?

They are not flagged for PvP. But destro are, they stand in front of someone who is doing AoE, and get that person flagged. Then if a healer heals that target, he gets flagged as well. That is borderline griefing imho.

Why are you claiming this to be onesided, Destruction PQ in Eatine has been ganked and invaded multiple times.

I have farmed Ruin a LOT the past 2 weeks. I have 20 alts with full Ruin (both Order and Destro).

Destro invaded the Eataine PQ a bazillion times while i was there. Order? I only ever saw a WL and Engie a few times (easily dealt with) and a solo DPS AM (even easier to kill him). They didn't return after dying. Nothing like Destro, who have sometimes invaded the Order PQ with half a WB.

[Combi]

So people leaching Gold, XP, Drops etz are ok, but people killing people thats flagged for PVP isn't ok?

That is called heresy.

[Collateral]

understand me. Doing a raid from time to time is just fun, nothing else, as I see it.

Fun for you i am sure, i doubt the people you are stomping with no chance of fighting back will talk about how much fun it was.

Oh man you just don't want to understand me I guess. I did this twice now, so it's not like whenever I log in I instantly go gank people on PQs. And of course I wouldn't like it if order did this to me. But the difference is rading and ganking/camping, but you refuse to understand that so I just won't bother.

If what Penril says is true, that destro is ganking PQs more than order, I just wanna clear my name, so I don't look like someone who enjoys :| lowbies on PQs, because I think that's the picture people are starting to get here.

[peterthepan3]

It's funny that the people justifying raiding level 31 green geared freshies as rr40+ full merc/anni are also those who crumble against equally geared opponents.

[bloodi]

But the difference is rading and ganking/camping, but you refuse to understand that so I just won't bother.

Oh, i understand that you are trying to say that since you dont camp them and kill them over and over, then its fine.

I just think that its bullshit you tell yourself to feel better. If you stab someone you dont go around arguing that at least you didnt stab him 10 times do you?

[Penril]

It's funny that the people justifying raiding level 31 green geared freshies as rr40+ full merc/anni are also those who crumble against equally geared opponents.

Yes. When I was on my lvl40 WL with epic quest weapon and almost full ruin, I managed to kill their Sorc, WE, Zealot and Choppa, having support only from a lowbie KotBS and WP. I think they gank at PQs because that is the only place where they can get kills

If what Penril says is true, that destro is ganking PQs more than order, I just wanna clear my name, so I don't look like someone who enjoys :| lowbies on PQs, because I think that's the picture people are starting to get here.

Devs can easily confirm (i think) what alts I have with full ruin. They also know how many times I mentioned this problem to them. Several times when playing order, zero when I was playing destro.

Well not true... I did complain about a certain Choppa that kept AFK'ing at the PQ and joining the open WB even though we kept kicking him. He was swiftly dealt with. And to be fair, i have to say they also helped us at the Order PQ when destro kep ganking there for a while (not "just once", but several times in a row). Destro left immediately as soon as they saw someone with GM in their names.

[roadkillrobin]

I have farmed Ruin a LOT the past 2 weeks. I have 20 alts with full Ruin (both Order and Destro).

Destro invaded the Eataine PQ a bazillion times while i was there. Order? I only ever saw a WL and Engie a few times (easily dealt with) and a solo DPS AM (even easier to kill him). They didn't return after dying. Nothing like Destro, who have sometimes invaded the Order PQ with half a WB.

And I've farmed Ruin on the Destro PQ when on the rank 41 Hero spawned 2 groups of Order charged in on our PQ.
I've seen AM hiding out of LoS and dotting people up. I've seen a full 6man premade storm that PQ aswell. I've also seen the Order being completly wiped by the lowbie Destro farmers.

It's funny that the people justifying raiding level 31 green geared freshies as rr40+ full merc/anni are also those who crumble against equally geared opponents.

And how is ganking 1 lowbie in the lakes with a 6-24 man premade any difference???

[Nekkma]

Why are people bringing up fair play? If you think people should not be flagged in pve period or that people are abusing a flaw in the flagging system, that's fine.

Premades are farming pugs. 40s are farming lowbies. Geared characters are farming undergeared. Zergs killing soloers and small parties. Pugs with healers and tanks farm pugs without. The list goes on and on and all of these ahppens all day every day. PvP in this game is not "fair". It is silly to think it should be in this specific instance.

[bloodi]

And how is ganking 1 lowbie in the lakes with a 6-24 man premade any difference???

The lowbie entered the lake by himself and flagged himself for pvp.

I mean, do you really need this explained to you?

Why are people bringing up fair play? If you think people should not be flagged in pve period or that people are abusing a flaw in the flagging system, that's fine.

Premades are farming pugs. 40s are farming lowbies. Geared characters are farming undergeared. Zergs killing soloers and small parties. Pugs with healers and tanks farm pugs without. The list goes on and on and all of these ahppens all day every day. PvP in this game is not "fair". It is silly to think it should be in this specific instance.

But they are using a flaw in the system to grief, those lowbies are not going to a pvp area with the intent of playing pvp, they are in a pve area, not attacking anyone from the other realm and even try to not attack the players, is just that if you use any aoe or heal anyone who did, you get flagged and killed.

And we bring fair play because people bring up **** like "well its a tactical move for our faction" as if they were doing it for the sake of their realm and not because they want to stomp lowbies.

And as i said i am fine with the concept of it being a pvp server where everyone is flagged all the time and everything is fair play but this server is not, its pve and people are abusing flaws on the system to gank people with no chance of fighting back who in the first place were trying to not get involved in pvp.

[roadkillrobin]

And how is ganking 1 lowbie in the lakes with a 6-24 man premade any difference???

The lowbie entered the lake by himself and flagged himself for pvp.

I mean, do you really need this explained to you?

You mean how they can also unflag in PVE but are to lazy to??