Return of Reckoning

TenTonHammer wrote:So to just confirm the major driving force behind this was the swell of immigrants/refugees from the middle east?

No, its the EU migrants. That some thick people think are the same as refugees.

If you look on youtube at the publics reaction its mainly. "Yeah now we get our country back", or "Now the Polish will **** off".

Its sad really. As nothing will change when we need to trade with the EU and they force the free movement laws onto us. Just means in the long term Business will post job opportunities in Eastern EU rather than in UK, so migrants can get the job first and then come over freely.

I know a lot of people where the main driving force to leave was freedom of movement. Only to wake up and find that nothing will change.

Someone even said to me, great now we can rid of the Indians, using slang... Until I explained that India is not in EU. /facepalm

^ Those people aren't representative of the 17 million other people who voted to Leave. Similarly I could call on Eddie Izzard - one of the panelists of the Remain camp on TV last week - and say he is representative of remain voters, but I know that's not the case.

The media has a tendency to show reactions/get opinions from people in run-down communities where emotions and tensions are always going to be high due to the lack of jobs there. Very biased.

peterthepan3 wrote:^ Those people aren't representative of the 17 million other people who voted to Leave. .

Who is then?

This guys? http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/po ... 02516.html

They seem pretty representative to me. It's the same way most of the people i know through social, work etc that voted leave are talking. It also what i'm hearing from others about the people they know that voted leave. It seems to me that the leave voters who actually knew what they were voting for are in the minority. Edit - just to be clear, i actually think the same about most of the people who voted to remain.

peterthepan3 wrote:The media has a tendency to show reactions/get opinions from people in run-down communities where emotions and tensions are always going to be high due to the lack of jobs there. Very biased.

The polls are always skewed when they are taken in London. It is essentially a different country. Comparing London to say Derby, or Plymouth or even Bristol. You simply can't.

Kabaal, read the quote I posted earlier, that details a lot of good arguments for leaving that are not based on immigration.

peterthepan3 wrote: The media has a tendency to show reactions/get opinions from people in run-down communities where emotions and tensions are always going to be high due to the lack of jobs there. Very biased.

adei wrote:

peterthepan3 wrote: The media has a tendency to show reactions/get opinions from people in run-down communities where emotions and tensions are always going to be high due to the lack of jobs there. Very biased.

Haha, I'll one-up you:

The problem is the EU lets refugees (economic migrants) into member states and they just live off welfare. I'm sure there is some legitimate racism in the UK, but there is nothing wrong with wanting to get leeches out of your country. I'm sure most don't have problems with foreigners as long as they work and contribute to society.

But when you have ahmed "fleeing" turkey so he can get on the dole in the UK and have 12 kids and take advantage of liberal white guilt to force muslim/sharia law on those around him then you have a problem.

Same thing in the US, a very small minority actually hate mexicans. We are just tired of them illegally crossing the border and taking advantage of social systems while not paying any taxes or holding down a legitimate job. Trump wants to get rid of leeches of our system regardless of where they come from. But the left is just going to paint it as RACISM and scream **** like privilege and patriarchy etc... Because each of these leeches represent another vote for the left and help keep them in power. That is what all of this is ultimately about. EU brings in migrants to water down the native population and create a political environment where nationalism and right wing politics are impossible. Thankfully the UK got out before it was too late.

Ah Schrodingers immigrant simultaneously steeling jobs and living on welfare. The fact is migrant workers are an important part of the UK economy and a corner stone of the NHS.

Americas problem with the Mexicans is long standing. But your best way of tackling it is to heavily punish those that hire illegals to the point where saving those few dollars just ain't worth it.