Return of Reckoning

Illuminati wrote: Wed Jun 04, 2025 10:57 pm I never knew the WL pet could be cast on the move...

The other pet classes would benefit from this.

Horned Squig used to be castable on the move too as MSH. It was changed to not be during the Ability Rework and has since not been resolved as a bug or clarified to be an intended balance change. As such, and to my knowledge, it remains the oldest surviving bug introduced by the Ability Rework:

https://bugs.returnofreckoning.com/view.php?id=21487

leftayparxoun wrote: Thu Jun 05, 2025 1:31 am

Illuminati wrote: Wed Jun 04, 2025 10:57 pm I never knew the WL pet could be cast on the move...

The other pet classes would benefit from this.

Horned Squig used to be castable on the move too as MSH. It was changed to not be during the Ability Rework and has since not been resolved as a bug or clarified to be an intended balance change. As such, and to my knowledge, it remains the oldest surviving bug introduced by the Ability Rework:

https://bugs.returnofreckoning.com/view.php?id=21487

Yikes. That would be a nice QoL and playability improvement. Would help SH be more enjoyable in all its specs.

Battlefield wrote: Wed Jun 04, 2025 5:04 pm WL's pet dies too fast from 2-3 aoe melee dps in scenrario, even dps dok may to kill a pet for 5-6 seconds

I wouldn't worry if it dies in 5-6 sec:

Tisaya wrote: Sun Apr 20, 2025 9:19 am 3. As ST WL you need to kill your target quickly, preferably under 3 seconds, making 1-2 AA during the whole fight, while AA speed buff favours long engagements.

and, as you say, dok dps is a dps

edit add: TTK player under 3 sec is ok, TTK pet under 6 sec not acceptable (? ? ?)

Just wish such discussion would be considered then there was a witch hunt for people running DPS runnies meme warband.

During witch hunt it turned out pet is actually immortal and uncounterable by any means, but now, just as drama passes, another thread with "my lion dies in orvr, omg" pops up.

Nice double standards, folks

REWENGA wrote: Thu Jun 05, 2025 5:37 am

Battlefield wrote: Wed Jun 04, 2025 5:04 pm WL's pet dies too fast from 2-3 aoe melee dps in scenrario, even dps dok may to kill a pet for 5-6 seconds

I wouldn't worry if it dies in 5-6 sec:

Tisaya wrote: Sun Apr 20, 2025 9:19 am 3. As ST WL you need to kill your target quickly, preferably under 3 seconds, making 1-2 AA during the whole fight, while AA speed buff favours long engagements.

and, as you say, dok dps is a dps

edit add: TTK player under 3 sec is ok, TTK pet under 6 sec not acceptable (? ? ?)

I find that no one dies in 3s in a scenario premade. It's actually v hard to get a kill on a party with 2 guards and 2 healers spamming party heal

salazarn wrote: Thu Jun 05, 2025 10:47 am

REWENGA wrote: Thu Jun 05, 2025 5:37 am

Battlefield wrote: Wed Jun 04, 2025 5:04 pm WL's pet dies too fast from 2-3 aoe melee dps in scenrario, even dps dok may to kill a pet for 5-6 seconds

I wouldn't worry if it dies in 5-6 sec:

Tisaya wrote: Sun Apr 20, 2025 9:19 am 3. As ST WL you need to kill your target quickly, preferably under 3 seconds, making 1-2 AA during the whole fight, while AA speed buff favours long engagements.

and, as you say, dok dps is a dps

edit add: TTK player under 3 sec is ok, TTK pet under 6 sec not acceptable (? ? ?)

I find that no one dies in 3s in a scenario premade. It's actually v hard to get a kill on a party with 2 guards and 2 healers spamming party heal

defending the undefendable.

enuf

Asking a buff/rework on WL is quite daring to say the least, considering it's by far the most broken class atm.

Lion will only die fast in the 18+ men SCs, which are basically warband gameplay (and shouldn't be a SC format in the first place, but this is a separate topic).
In regular small scale / 12 men SCs, it's really hard to get rid of a lion before it gets to do its job (KD / grab ...), especially since it got the CC immunity. Furthermore, it hits like a truck, allowing easy kiting for its master.

Currently in mid tier SCs, Destro must have around 20% WR because of it being run by WLs / WPs (at least 4 of each/ SC) which have no efficient counterpart at these lvls, so it seems to be a pretty ... popular class these days ... I wonder why.

Lion or any pet getting killed in large scale settings is pretty obvious given the total zerg/AoE fest it is.

After nerf of slays lion dominated meta with bws. Destro whined about slays, now they whine about lions wich even was pretty shitty in ranked. Mara have wound cutter, normal heal debuff that leach hp into him, 25%arm pen for every mutaded skill, but yeh #nerflion. Usually it comes from same people who que into prems solo without armpots in ruin gear and then explain in chat/forum how game should work and how any class that killed them OP.

Lion have weakness, if you would create one and play it u would fast enough realize its not even that good against strong opponents. Even msw is far more stable that lion.

Sever1n wrote: Thu Jun 05, 2025 9:24 pm After nerf of slays lion dominated meta with bws. Destro whined about slays, now they whine about lions wich even was pretty shitty in ranked. Mara have wound cutter, normal heal debuff that leach hp into him, 25%arm pen for every mutaded skill, but yeh #nerflion. Usually it comes from same people who que into prems solo without armpots in ruin gear and then explain in chat/forum how game should work and how any class that killed them OP.

Lion have weakness, if you would create one and play it u would fast enough realize its not even that good against strong opponents. Even msw is far more stable that lion.

Quite reductive. but thats common in RoR forums. both sides whine about each other constantly(WL OP/Mara OP/WP OP/DoK OP repeat until you hurl)
I think peoples main issue is how common it is(if the only melee you see is WLs. either slayer is dramatically too weak. or WL is dramatically too strong. i think its an inbetween.)
WL has a bit too much burst damage on top of its utility. tone that done a smidge and it will be in a good spot(and buff slayer back into relevance).

its not like everyone moved onto WL because slayer is just god awful. it still puts in work. but why play a class that requires more effort and support for less numbers, less utility and less safety.

the highest damaging melee specs should always be choppa/slayer since they have more risk attached to themselves.

Sever1n wrote: Thu Jun 05, 2025 9:24 pm After nerf of slays lion dominated meta with bws. Destro whined about slays, now they whine about lions wich even was pretty shitty in ranked. Mara have wound cutter, normal heal debuff that leach hp into him, 25%arm pen for every mutaded skill, but yeh #nerflion. Usually it comes from same people who que into prems solo without armpots in ruin gear and then explain in chat/forum how game should work and how any class that killed them OP.

Lion have weakness, if you would create one and play it u would fast enough realize its not even that good against strong opponents. Even msw is far more stable that lion.

I will be fair to destro players here, WL is better than other MDPS in are of effect situations when you only consider damage( there should be graphs about this somewhere). However that is only half the story. Some sort of toning down might be justified here but has nothing to do with this topic of pet Wl(which is still suffering from many issues).

Mostly orders play WL as melee since everything else was nerfed. Slayer? Nerfed. WH? Nerfed. ASW? Lol. DPS WP? Give me a break( sitting duck).

Also players focus blindly on raw dps, if you look at Maras, they bring more to the table than just raw dps that lets destro win fights, it is tanky, way better pull, strong aoe utility. WL can't match that, it can only perform in raw aoe dps and through a fort wep. If Mara and WL had near equal dps obviously the WL would be underpowered in a direct comparison.

Also regarding this forum you will see trends, if someone starts complaining many will follow. Players are very opportunistic and sometimes devious. This forum has a long history of hating WL's for destro players. These are very ancient grudges that are just waiting for the opportunity to strike, like a certain creature under the bridge . I hope the devs that read here can see through these trends but you never know ( some stuff have been nerfed in the past, when the crying was load enough).