Return of Reckoning

Posted: **Fri Oct 14, 2022 5:27 pm**

nocturnalguest wrote: Fri Oct 14, 2022 2:38 pm ...

No. You need to come up with some proofs. Post videos, post screenshot, post numbers that support your vision. Unless you can't it's just your opinion. You are also mixing up things. This is about ORVR, not City.

PS: From what I have seen the BWs/Sorcs usually top the charts in keep/fort fights. Usually by x2 to the best Engi/Magus. So not even in the situation they should shine they perform that well.

Posted: **Fri Oct 14, 2022 5:31 pm**

Here is the result of a 4 times larger dataset. It's around 20 days of orvr kills. I wanted to download 30 days but stopped at 20 because the numbers weren't really changing:

Total kills: 384653

Order kills: 195736
Destr kills: 188917

Total Order Players: 7642
Total Destro Players: 7736

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ORDER - MOST KILLING BY CAREER (KILLS. PLAYERS. KILLS/PLAYERS):
SLAYER                  37684 - 19.25%      591 -  7.73%    63.76
WITCH_HUNTER            35329 - 18.05%      825 -  10.8%    42.82
WHITE_LION              34664 - 17.71%      574 -  7.51%    60.39
BRIGHT_WIZARD           29871 - 15.26%      655 -  8.57%     45.6
SHADOW_WARRIOR          21130 -  10.8%      617 -  8.07%    34.25
ENGINEER                15184 -  7.76%      660 -  8.64%    23.01
ARCHMAGE                10624 -  5.43%      658 -  8.61%    16.15
SWORDMASTER              2946 -  1.51%      480 -  6.28%     6.14
KNIGHT                   2787 -  1.42%      676 -  8.85%     4.12
IRONBREAKER              2453 -  1.25%      498 -  6.52%     4.93
WARRIOR_PRIEST           1863 -  0.95%      792 - 10.36%     2.35
RUNE_PRIEST              1201 -  0.61%      616 -  8.06%     1.95

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DESTRO - MOST KILLING BY CAREER (KILLS. PLAYERS. KILLS/PLAYERS):
CHOPPA                  41263 - 21.84%      708 -  9.15%    58.28
WITCH_ELF               32992 - 17.46%      767 -  9.91%    43.01
SQUIG_HERDER            28263 - 14.96%      672 -  8.69%    42.06
SORCERER                25967 - 13.75%      601 -  7.77%    43.21
MARAUDER                16866 -  8.93%      588 -   7.6%    28.68
SHAMAN                  14271 -  7.55%      945 - 12.22%     15.1
MAGUS                   13411 -   7.1%      501 -  6.48%    26.77
CHOSEN                   4657 -  2.47%      773 -  9.99%     6.02
DISCIPLE                 3697 -  1.96%      612 -  7.91%     6.04
BLACKGUARD               3621 -  1.92%      459 -  5.93%     7.89
BLACK_ORC                3469 -  1.84%      533 -  6.89%     6.51
ZEALOT                    440 -  0.23%      577 -  7.46%     0.76

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ORDER - MOST DYING BY CAREER (VICTIMS. PLAYERS. VICTIMS/PLAYERS):
WITCH_HUNTER            27451 - 14.53%      825 -  10.8%    33.27
SLAYER                  21506 - 11.38%      591 -  7.73%    36.39
WHITE_LION              18201 -  9.63%      574 -  7.51%    31.71
BRIGHT_WIZARD           15433 -  8.17%      655 -  8.57%    23.56
WARRIOR_PRIEST          15272 -  8.08%      792 - 10.36%    19.28
SHADOW_WARRIOR          14385 -  7.61%      617 -  8.07%    23.31
ENGINEER                14362 -   7.6%      660 -  8.64%    21.76
IRONBREAKER             14023 -  7.42%      498 -  6.52%    28.16
ARCHMAGE                13585 -  7.19%      658 -  8.61%    20.65
KNIGHT                  12597 -  6.67%      676 -  8.85%    18.63
RUNE_PRIEST             11880 -  6.29%      616 -  8.06%    19.29
SWORDMASTER             10222 -  5.41%      480 -  6.28%     21.3

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DESTRO - MOST DYING BY CAREER (VICTIMS. PLAYERS. VICTIMS/PLAYERS):
WITCH_ELF               25230 - 12.89%      767 -  9.91%    32.89
CHOPPA                  24740 - 12.64%      708 -  9.15%    34.94
SHAMAN                  23541 - 12.03%      945 - 12.22%    24.91
CHOSEN                  16582 -  8.47%      773 -  9.99%    21.45
SQUIG_HERDER            16336 -  8.35%      672 -  8.69%    24.31
BLACK_ORC               16259 -  8.31%      533 -  6.89%     30.5
DISCIPLE                13883 -  7.09%      612 -  7.91%    22.68
SORCERER                13704 -     7%      601 -  7.77%     22.8
BLACKGUARD              13293 -  6.79%      459 -  5.93%    28.96
MARAUDER                13245 -  6.77%      588 -   7.6%    22.53
MAGUS                    9833 -  5.02%      501 -  6.48%    19.63
ZEALOT                   9090 -  4.64%      577 -  7.46%    15.75

RR80 and higher Killers only:

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ORDER - MOST KILLING BY CAREER (KILLS. PLAYERS. KILLS/PLAYERS):
SLAYER                  24792 - 23.94%      395 -  7.72%    62.76
BRIGHT_WIZARD           19726 - 19.05%      405 -  7.92%    48.71
WHITE_LION              18531 -  17.9%      409 -     8%    45.31
WITCH_HUNTER            15856 - 15.31%      530 - 10.36%    29.92
SHADOW_WARRIOR           9542 -  9.22%      400 -  7.82%    23.86
ARCHMAGE                 6021 -  5.81%      471 -  9.21%    12.78
ENGINEER                 5254 -  5.07%      409 -     8%    12.85
SWORDMASTER              1281 -  1.24%      300 -  5.87%     4.27
IRONBREAKER               851 -  0.82%      354 -  6.92%      2.4
WARRIOR_PRIEST            644 -  0.62%      530 - 10.36%     1.22
RUNE_PRIEST               546 -  0.53%      441 -  8.62%     1.24
KNIGHT                    504 -  0.49%      471 -  9.21%     1.07

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DESTRO - MOST KILLING BY CAREER (KILLS. PLAYERS. KILLS/PLAYERS):
CHOPPA                  26760 - 29.14%      477 -     9%     56.1
WITCH_ELF               15513 - 16.89%      549 - 10.36%    28.26
SQUIG_HERDER            14227 - 15.49%      462 -  8.72%    30.79
SORCERER                11714 - 12.76%      393 -  7.42%    29.81
SHAMAN                   7357 -  8.01%      703 - 13.27%    10.47
MARAUDER                 6491 -  7.07%      365 -  6.89%    17.78
MAGUS                    3850 -  4.19%      312 -  5.89%    12.34
DISCIPLE                 2010 -  2.19%      432 -  8.15%     4.65
BLACKGUARD               1464 -  1.59%      323 -   6.1%     4.53
CHOSEN                   1322 -  1.44%      521 -  9.83%     2.54
BLACK_ORC                 984 -  1.07%      374 -  7.06%     2.63
ZEALOT                    143 -  0.16%      387 -   7.3%     0.37

RR80 and higher Victims only:

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ORDER - MOST DYING BY CAREER (VICTIMS. PLAYERS. VICTIMS/PLAYERS):
WITCH_HUNTER             7712 - 15.62%      372 - 12.99%    20.73
SLAYER                   6256 - 12.67%      293 - 10.23%    21.35
WHITE_LION               5209 - 10.55%      311 - 10.86%    16.75
BRIGHT_WIZARD            5193 - 10.52%      277 -  9.68%    18.75
ARCHMAGE                 3785 -  7.67%      222 -  7.75%    17.05
SHADOW_WARRIOR           3753 -   7.6%      288 - 10.06%    13.03
IRONBREAKER              3396 -  6.88%      149 -   5.2%    22.79
RUNE_PRIEST              3123 -  6.33%      140 -  4.89%    22.31
SWORDMASTER              2974 -  6.02%      165 -  5.76%    18.02
WARRIOR_PRIEST           2951 -  5.98%      164 -  5.73%    17.99
KNIGHT                   2817 -  5.71%      204 -  7.13%    13.81
ENGINEER                 2203 -  4.46%      278 -  9.71%     7.92

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DESTRO - MOST DYING BY CAREER (VICTIMS. PLAYERS. VICTIMS/PLAYERS):
CHOPPA                   7004 - 16.99%      346 - 11.59%    20.24
WITCH_ELF                5727 - 13.89%      412 -  13.8%     13.9
SHAMAN                   5666 - 13.74%      307 - 10.28%    18.46
SQUIG_HERDER             3507 -  8.51%      326 - 10.92%    10.76
DISCIPLE                 3303 -  8.01%      148 -  4.96%    22.32
BLACK_ORC                3108 -  7.54%      177 -  5.93%    17.56
CHOSEN                   2920 -  7.08%      244 -  8.17%    11.97
BLACKGUARD               2564 -  6.22%      155 -  5.19%    16.54
SORCERER                 2235 -  5.42%      286 -  9.58%     7.81
ZEALOT                   2071 -  5.02%      120 -  4.02%    17.26
MARAUDER                 1902 -  4.61%      230 -   7.7%     8.27
MAGUS                    1218 -  2.95%      235 -  7.87%     5.18

Posted: **Fri Oct 14, 2022 5:40 pm**

the biggest take away for me, is still how even the realm paritipation is between order and destro and realm-kills being equal too.

so much for Xrealming killing the game, when arguble this shows that this server is waaay healthier with allowed crossrealming with limmited winnerjoining, compared to some WoW servers where its like 90vs10% populations.

Posted: **Fri Oct 14, 2022 5:58 pm**

wonshot wrote: Fri Oct 14, 2022 5:40 pm the biggest take away for me, is still how even the realm paritipation is between order and destro and realm-kills being equal too.

so much for Xrealming killing the game, when arguble this shows that this server is waaay healthier with allowed crossrealming with limmited winnerjoining, compared to some WoW servers where its like 90vs10% populations.

Yeah, it feels like it got better over the last couple of months. It used to be worse, especially in EU prime time. At the moment both sides have strong guilds and strong leaders. It results in a pretty even battlefield and killing numbers.

Posted: **Fri Oct 14, 2022 6:31 pm**

wonshot wrote: Fri Oct 14, 2022 5:40 pm the biggest take away for me, is still how even the realm paritipation is between order and destro and realm-kills being equal too.

so much for Xrealming killing the game, when arguble this shows that this server is waaay healthier with allowed crossrealming with limmited winnerjoining, compared to some WoW servers where its like 90vs10% populations.

As much as i agree with you. ANY statement about WoW world PvP is absolutely irrelevant because the game is inherently not balanced around it. (aside from the engine not supporting large scale battles) Even if you look at bigger BGs, that "should" cater to slightly bigger player numbers like Wintergrasp, Alterac Valley, Isle of Conquest, and Tarren Mill vs Southshore. These BGs are always a complete shitfest(excuse my language).

Hmm i just realized you might just have referred to actual faction balance.

if so, ignore my statement

Posted: **Fri Oct 14, 2022 10:50 pm**

Very well done with the info, and well presented as well.

- slayers and choppa are indeed hella strong, no news flash there. Personally, instead of nerfing them down, I would buff the other DPS. TTK in this game is already crazy high sometimes. And a dps healer killing 3 DPS at the same time should not be something that I get to see in every pvp montage

- shocked how low mara is. There's barely over 1% kill ratio difference between them and shaman. they're below SW for chrissakes

- engi and magus being so low is another no brainer due to their static nature and overreliance on turrets

- there are too many WHs, WEs, Shamans and Archmages. solo AMs yoloing around are just as prelevent on Order as shamies are on Destro. Sometimes you see 3 of them together and they're all solo. it's like seeing bears meet in the wild

Frankly I'd argue this kind of data should be enough to steer balance changes in certain directions, but who knows. I hope we can get the zone lock statistics one day as well, to pair the two together.

Posted: **Sat Oct 15, 2022 5:34 am**

Bring back that extra 25% damage buff from turrents and pets damage stack for engineers and magus.

Posted: **Thu Oct 20, 2022 7:54 pm**

Data cleary shows that Zealots and Runepriests need buff in damage mode.

Posted: **Thu Oct 20, 2022 10:07 pm**

BackIn2021OldPlanB wrote: Thu Oct 20, 2022 7:54 pm Data cleary shows that Zealots and Runepriests need buff in damage mode.

The guy here with 1200 of the 1201 RP kills calling for RP buffs, DON'T fall for it devs, data is misleading!

Posted: **Fri Oct 21, 2022 5:38 am**

The class that gets the most kills have high death rates.
SLAYER 6256 - 12.67%
CHOPPA 7004 - 16.99%
Compared to magus and engi.
ENGINEER 2203 - 4.46%
MAGUS 1218 - 2.95%

''Wait a minute I thought this and that faction is op and dev biased.''
Order kills: 195736
Destr kills: 188917

Total Order Players: 7642
Total Destro Players: 7736

I guess not.
This is surprisingly decent numbers.

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