Patch Notes 09/12/2020

[Onigokko0101]

Insignificant changes to the major prob of Sh. Sw was nerfed to the ground in a day.
You keep giving Destro unique Order abilities while giving nothing back to Order, you also support the notion that there is no mirroring , this only seems to apply to Order not getting mirrored while destro does. Bw-Sorc, Sw-SH-Wl ( better than both sw and wl ) Zeal-Runie, you kinda also mirrored the CD decreaser - increaser , originally it was an Order thing.
Very disapointing . Is bias real after all ? peace out.

NIce conversation. You gave one actual example, but it was wrong. Chop Fasta has been on Destro since Live, as a Choppa ability. Bad Gas has been on Destro since live, as a Melee Squig ability. These are on order was Whispering Winds for SM, and Shatter Limbs as Slayer. The only thing that was added was a version of Chop Fasta to Black Orc, and you'll have to go dig through the forum patch notes to figure that one out. I don't remember why.

One of the Devs did share the past notes with me months ago on the RoR added BO tactic in August 2018 and still don’t know why it was added at the time to give an advantage. Destro has two Whispering Wind which can be activated with a press of a button while SM need multiple hits and can’t preload. Simple solution is removing the non-live added RoR BO tactic and allow SM to be activated like Chop Fasta. Link for notes: viewtopic.php?f=42&t=28061&p=318227

I mean thats great and all, but the game is asymmetrical. If we want to set that kind of precedent, lets start giving Destro some unique Order stuff then. Rampage and Funnel Power look neat

Thats said, id be all for making SWs version just a button press. Dosent make sense to lock it behind everything.

[Spellbound]

NIce conversation. You gave one actual example, but it was wrong. Chop Fasta has been on Destro since Live, as a Choppa ability. Bad Gas has been on Destro since live, as a Melee Squig ability. These are on order was Whispering Winds for SM, and Shatter Limbs as Slayer. The only thing that was added was a version of Chop Fasta to Black Orc, and you'll have to go dig through the forum patch notes to figure that one out. I don't remember why.

One of the Devs did share the past notes with me months ago on the RoR added BO tactic in August 2018 and still don’t know why it was added at the time to give an advantage. Destro has two Whispering Wind which can be activated with a press of a button while SM need multiple hits and can’t preload. Simple solution is removing the non-live added RoR BO tactic and allow SM to be activated like Chop Fasta. Link for notes: viewtopic.php?f=42&t=28061&p=318227

I mean thats great and all, but the game is asymmetrical. If we want to set that kind of precedent, lets start giving Destro some unique Order stuff then. Rampage and Funnel Power look neat

Thats said, id be all for making SWs version just a button press. Dosent make sense to lock it behind everything.

Both realms already have plenty of unique abilities and Destro have been given unique Order abilities, just take a look at SH.

Cooldown reducer however is one of the major contributions to balance that’s overlooked. A BO and Choppa currently stagger their CD decreaser for the whole group. Compare that 1 minute uptime versus 1 SM that can’t even activate it with a press of a button.

Not like this is a cool ability such as Winds of Insanity, AoE knockdown, 100% Monstro armor pen, Windblock or anything else unique destro has being asked for. Just the activation being the same for SM that BO and Choppa have.

A city warband can easily run 4 BO and 4 Choppa for 8 total CDR and nearly perma uptime. Order to achieve that need 8 SM and not run any Knights and IBs, not possible. It’s been one of the big contributions of 24v24 imbalances even though blame is wrongfully going to different abilities like GDTC etc.

[teiloh]

I mean thats great and all, but the game is asymmetrical. If we want to set that kind of precedent, lets start giving Destro some unique Order stuff then. Rampage and Funnel Power look neat

Thats said, id be all for making SWs version just a button press. Dosent make sense to lock it behind everything.

Destro is literally superior in every class of ability and sub-class of ability.

Better CC
Better Heal Debuff
Better Interrupts
Better Utility
Better CD Reducers
Better CD Increasers
Better AOE
Better ST Burst
Better Speed/Gap Closers
Better Morale Builders
Better Damage Decreasers/Survivability
Better Armor Debuffs
Better Resists Debuffs

But there is Rampage I guess and Funnel Power's 70-100? point damage increase.

[Naelar]

Better AOE? Please share some of what you've been smoking...

[wachlarz]

Well at least that's another free tactic slot on my engi again. And I love the math, pet receives 25% of healing and 25% aoe dmg reduc so now = "pet won't die to warband"

Quick maths 101.

No , pet take -75% damage from aoe, and receive 25% of the heal you receive . IT should help a lot them to survive the warband aoe

Won't help engi turrets, they have less defenses and they can't even move.

when U got 100 stack U make steam tank xd

[DiMakss]

Better AOE
Better ST Burst
Better Speed/Gap Closers

[MMXX43]

NIce conversation. You gave one actual example, but it was wrong. Chop Fasta has been on Destro since Live, as a Choppa ability. Bad Gas has been on Destro since live, as a Melee Squig ability. These are on order was Whispering Winds for SM, and Shatter Limbs as Slayer. The only thing that was added was a version of Chop Fasta to Black Orc, and you'll have to go dig through the forum patch notes to figure that one out. I don't remember why.

One of the Devs did share the past notes with me months ago on the RoR added BO tactic in August 2018 and still don’t know why it was added at the time to give an advantage. Destro has two Whispering Wind which can be activated with a press of a button while SM need multiple hits and can’t preload. Simple solution is removing the non-live added RoR BO tactic and allow SM to be activated like Chop Fasta. Link for notes: viewtopic.php?f=42&t=28061&p=318227

I mean thats great and all, but the game is asymmetrical. If we want to set that kind of precedent, lets start giving Destro some unique Order stuff then. Rampage and Funnel Power look neat

Thats said, id be all for making SWs version just a button press. Dosent make sense to lock it behind everything.

The game is indeed assymetrical for Order. Destro already got unique Order abilities mirrored while Order got nothing , it should be the other way around. So w8 a choppa will have rampage ( mirror) and gttc ? what a joke . Destro packing class and debuff synergy , cc and utility already as is. I dont get why a miniscule effort at balancing requires getting further pressure and nerfs on Order.

[MMXX43]

Better AOE
Better ST Burst
Better Speed/Gap Closers

memeing a fact , genius.

[teiloh]

Better AOE
Better ST Burst
Better Speed/Gap Closers

I think your self-portrait is charming, but we are talking about Warhammer Online here. So in your opinion, a 10-15% damage advantage on Sorc spirit spells (primary damage type) is trivial? Magus Lash hitting spirit vs. stacked armor is trivial? Magus frontal AOE dot (bread and butter damage) covering maybe 500% more ground than Engi line DoT is trivial?

[DiMakss]

Better AOE
Better ST Burst
Better Speed/Gap Closers

memeing a fact , genius.

Any fact provided by Naelar, genius?