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teiloh
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Re: AM in City Instance not worth playing

Post#51 » Mon Dec 07, 2020 7:56 pm

Ysaran wrote: Mon Dec 07, 2020 7:55 pm That's just theorycrafting. Actually most Choppas/BOs don't use CD reducer because either they have nothing to gain from it or are just not good enough to remember that have it
Choppas absolutely have everything to gain from it and if they don't use it while closing to melee they are braindead and a waste of a group slot.

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Re: AM in City Instance not worth playing

Post#52 » Mon Dec 07, 2020 7:58 pm

teiloh wrote: Mon Dec 07, 2020 7:56 pm
Ysaran wrote: Mon Dec 07, 2020 7:55 pm That's just theorycrafting. Actually most Choppas/BOs don't use CD reducer because either they have nothing to gain from it or are just not good enough to remember that have it
Choppas absolutely have everything to gain from it and if they don't use it while closing to melee they are braindead and a waste of a group slot.
Choppa gains nothing from cd reducer by itself. Choppa use CD reducer to help the party. Most Choppas are pure trash and just spam GTDC
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Re: AM in City Instance not worth playing

Post#53 » Mon Dec 07, 2020 7:58 pm

teiloh wrote: Mon Dec 07, 2020 7:45 pm
Ysaran wrote: Mon Dec 07, 2020 7:42 pm
Detaunt has same uptime. It's just a tooltip misprint
Nice, guess the AM version was buffed some time
mhm... must be a long time ago, then... Could be always like this. And the tooltip is more confusing, but technically not wrong (or is it?!). It says " you cannot be setback for 5 seconds and detaunts..blabla..." The no setback is active for 5 seconds as far as I know and it doesn´t say how long the detaunt works.

edit: and I am quite sure, that what gives RP the edge over Zealots in survivability is stoutness of stone, not the armor tactic.
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Re: AM in City Instance not worth playing

Post#54 » Mon Dec 07, 2020 10:40 pm

Arbich wrote: Mon Dec 07, 2020 7:58 pm

edit: and I am quite sure, that what gives RP the edge over Zealots in survivability is stoutness of stone, not the armor tactic.
Not many RPs use it because it's nice, but not that great.

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Re: AM in City Instance not worth playing

Post#55 » Mon Dec 07, 2020 11:04 pm

Gurf wrote: Mon Dec 07, 2020 10:21 amThere is a big problem when it comes to playing AM in City instance whereby they are always focused and targeted first, partly because they are insta res but also they have very few escape tools...

A simple manner in which to address all of this allow AM's to cast Group Heal on the move. But I am sure the real answer is learn to play, or something...
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Re: AM in City Instance not worth playing

Post#56 » Mon Dec 07, 2020 11:14 pm

Ysaran wrote: Mon Dec 07, 2020 7:40 pm
Cimba wrote: Mon Dec 07, 2020 7:23 pm
Ysaran wrote: Mon Dec 07, 2020 7:10 pm It's every 3s, not 5. 4s at worst.
Lol. I'm done. Thanks for the talk.
Care to explain? Am I missing something?
It's 5 seconds. Every time. Unless you have WW up
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Re: AM in City Instance not worth playing

Post#57 » Mon Dec 07, 2020 11:23 pm

Crumbs wrote: Mon Dec 07, 2020 11:14 pm
Ysaran wrote: Mon Dec 07, 2020 7:40 pm
Cimba wrote: Mon Dec 07, 2020 7:23 pm

Lol. I'm done. Thanks for the talk.
Care to explain? Am I missing something?
It's 5 seconds. Every time. Unless you have WW up
5s CD, 2s casting time (1,2s if you have heal mechanic). This means that you can cast it every 3 or 4 seconds. it's not the CD, but you don't have to wait 5s to cast it again, though
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Re: AM in City Instance not worth playing

Post#58 » Mon Dec 07, 2020 11:25 pm

Martok wrote: Mon Dec 07, 2020 11:04 pm
Gurf wrote: Mon Dec 07, 2020 10:21 amThere is a big problem when it comes to playing AM in City instance whereby they are always focused and targeted first, partly because they are insta res but also they have very few escape tools...

A simple manner in which to address all of this allow AM's to cast Group Heal on the move. But I am sure the real answer is learn to play, or something...
No, i agree that AM/shammy require too much personal skill/convergent situations to perform well. AoE heal on move would be OP, but i think that a rework of the mechanic is due
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Re: AM in City Instance not worth playing

Post#59 » Mon Dec 07, 2020 11:58 pm

Energy of Vaul/Fury of da green is the "group" heal on the move.
And just because AM/shaman requires the most "personal" skill of all healer classes (which is probably true), doesnt mean it is a particular difficult class to play. all tank classes are on a totally different level.
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Re: AM in City Instance not worth playing

Post#60 » Tue Dec 08, 2020 1:13 am

Ysaran wrote: Mon Dec 07, 2020 11:23 pm
Crumbs wrote: Mon Dec 07, 2020 11:14 pm
Ysaran wrote: Mon Dec 07, 2020 7:40 pm
Care to explain? Am I missing something?
It's 5 seconds. Every time. Unless you have WW up
5s CD, 2s casting time (1,2s if you have heal mechanic). This means that you can cast it every 3 or 4 seconds. it's not the CD, but you don't have to wait 5s to cast it again, though
5sec CD is five sec CD. Doesn't matter if you have 2 or 1 or 3 sec cast time, it will be 5 seconds before that ability activates after the last one. I understand what you are telling me, but that does not change the frequency of it.
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