Return of Reckoning

wargrimnir wrote: Thu Nov 12, 2020 7:37 pm

catholicism198 wrote: Thu Nov 12, 2020 7:32 pm I was going to do some math here to try to argue why i disagree with you, not entirely, but quite a bit.

Then i remembered that no one cares but us and changes are not community based, so i won't.

Yeah, this isn't true. We regularly use community feedback to inform balance changes. The dissonance that you're feeling is that we don't blanket implement community suggestions based on subjective popularity. The ongoing discussions about rSH changes specifically have the proposals from the balance forum included. Discussions like this aren't tracked as closely, but if you gather up a solid proposal and post it here, it's very likely to be considered when we come around to reviewing either changes to Sorc or M4's in general.

catholicism198 wrote: Thu Nov 12, 2020 7:45 pm

wargrimnir wrote: Thu Nov 12, 2020 7:37 pm

catholicism198 wrote: Thu Nov 12, 2020 7:32 pm I was going to do some math here to try to argue why i disagree with you, not entirely, but quite a bit.

Then i remembered that no one cares but us and changes are not community based, so i won't.

Yeah, this isn't true. We regularly use community feedback to inform balance changes. The dissonance that you're feeling is that we don't blanket implement community suggestions based on subjective popularity. The ongoing discussions about rSH changes specifically have the proposals from the balance forum included. Discussions like this aren't tracked as closely, but if you gather up a solid proposal and post it here, it's very likely to be considered when we come around to reviewing either changes to Sorc or M4's in general.

You quoted the wrong person.
That was all Brizio.

dwyur wrote: Sun Nov 08, 2020 4:54 pm

Arthem wrote: Sun Nov 08, 2020 3:20 pm Just gear your sorc up and play it more, no need for changes. The one you asked for would be a nerf btw. You just need more experience.

How is changing a tactic to include one additional spell a nerf?

And no need to reply to me, there are players 'with more experience' here that are discussing changes.

teiloh wrote: Fri Nov 20, 2020 1:55 pm Sorcs are vastly superior to BW in coordinated/group/zerg play.

emiliorv wrote: Fri Nov 20, 2020 4:27 pm shadow knives/ice spikes/surging pain are corporeal dmg (not sure if more aoe spells too), so not all dmg is spirit...
GON => 2 secs cast/80 ft and aplied to 1 target (too easy cleansable) => is a **** joke

and still:
1-You need a magus to debuff spirit
2-Taget resistances need to be low enough to go under cap after debuff
3-Need that any of the thousand grp cleanse remove that debuff


something more? maybe some virgin´s blood

teiloh wrote: Fri Nov 20, 2020 1:55 pm Sorcs are vastly superior to BW in coordinated/group/zerg play.

Spirit debuff is full debuffed by Magus using a spammable AOE damage ability. There are no -3xx elemental debuffs on Order ever since resist auras and SM debuff got nerfed.

For Corp, Zealots have a stackable -Corp debuff with Corrosive.

In groups, BW "advantages" such as stun and heal debuff are mostly a joke.

This means Sorcs will do 20-30% more DPS with the same spells. Sorc AOE also has Shadow Knives for burst and GON for procs and sustain.

BW's only saving grace is probably Flashfire/Lingering Fires/Wildfire and Burning Head if they spec in the other direction. But Sorcs have their own top-notch tactics.