Return of Reckoning

Hardkoar wrote: Wed Oct 28, 2020 10:31 pm

Jabba wrote: Wed Oct 28, 2020 10:34 am Still don't understand why people are talking about rSH not being wanted in warbands as a reason for changing them. If you want to play in warbands on a sh, you don't play rSH.

If you want to play in warbands on zeal/shaman/dok/rp/wp/am....you don't play dps, you play heal.

If you want to play warbands on a tank, you don't play as a loldps spec, you play as snb or select 2h utility specs.

If you want to play in a warband on choppa/slayer, you don't play 2h spec, you play dual wield with the appropriate spec.

If you want to play as an engi/magus, you don't play as a single target/toughness roam spec. You spec appropiately.

WL you don't play with pet spec. You play loner.

Mara, you don't play a savagery/brutality build. You spec Monstro.

etc etc


All classes have specs that are not viable for warbands, if you want to play in proper warbands on these classes, maybe you don't get to play your preferred spec. For SH, this means you play mSH, rather than range.

I find it interesting how you compare a TANK Dps to a Squig herder, a RANGED DPS CLASS , telling them ''don't play the lolspec'' go melee...
You have totally understood the point of this entire post.

Jabba wrote: Thu Oct 29, 2020 3:38 am

Hardkoar wrote: Wed Oct 28, 2020 10:31 pm

Jabba wrote: Wed Oct 28, 2020 10:34 am Still don't understand why people are talking about rSH not being wanted in warbands as a reason for changing them. If you want to play in warbands on a sh, you don't play rSH.

If you want to play in warbands on zeal/shaman/dok/rp/wp/am....you don't play dps, you play heal.

If you want to play warbands on a tank, you don't play as a loldps spec, you play as snb or select 2h utility specs.

If you want to play in a warband on choppa/slayer, you don't play 2h spec, you play dual wield with the appropriate spec.

If you want to play as an engi/magus, you don't play as a single target/toughness roam spec. You spec appropiately.

WL you don't play with pet spec. You play loner.

Mara, you don't play a savagery/brutality build. You spec Monstro.

etc etc


All classes have specs that are not viable for warbands, if you want to play in proper warbands on these classes, maybe you don't get to play your preferred spec. For SH, this means you play mSH, rather than range.

I find it interesting how you compare a TANK Dps to a Squig herder, a RANGED DPS CLASS , telling them ''don't play the lolspec'' go melee...
You have totally understood the point of this entire post.

Because rSH isn't meant to be an aoe class, their range spec excels in other formats of the game. As shocking as this might be for some people to learn, there are in fact other facets to the game than mindless zerging,
aoe spamming and funnels. If you want to do those, Sh already has a spec that is suited to it.

The point clearly being that you should play the appropriate spec for whatever content you're doing if you want to do well in that content. You're all talking as though SH doesn't have an appropriate spec for aoe already, when it does. It's as simple as that. SW had no viable aoe build in any of spec. They were given one.

ceramicartist wrote: Thu Oct 29, 2020 5:54 am

Jabba wrote: Thu Oct 29, 2020 3:38 am

Hardkoar wrote: Wed Oct 28, 2020 10:31 pm

I find it interesting how you compare a TANK Dps to a Squig herder, a RANGED DPS CLASS , telling them ''don't play the lolspec'' go melee...
You have totally understood the point of this entire post.

Because rSH isn't meant to be an aoe class, their range spec excels in other formats of the game. As shocking as this might be for some people to learn, there are in fact other facets to the game than mindless zerging,
aoe spamming and funnels. If you want to do those, Sh already has a spec that is suited to it.

The point clearly being that you should play the appropriate spec for whatever content you're doing if you want to do well in that content. You're all talking as though SH doesn't have an appropriate spec for aoe already, when it does. It's as simple as that. SW had no viable aoe build in any of spec. They were given one.

SW always had viable aoe from skirmish. We just received even better viability with the last major SW patch, at the cost of....quite a bit from Scout.

Jabba wrote: Thu Oct 29, 2020 3:38 am

Hardkoar wrote: Wed Oct 28, 2020 10:31 pm

Jabba wrote: Wed Oct 28, 2020 10:34 am Still don't understand why people are talking about rSH not being wanted in warbands as a reason for changing them. If you want to play in warbands on a sh, you don't play rSH.

If you want to play in warbands on zeal/shaman/dok/rp/wp/am....you don't play dps, you play heal.

If you want to play warbands on a tank, you don't play as a loldps spec, you play as snb or select 2h utility specs.

If you want to play in a warband on choppa/slayer, you don't play 2h spec, you play dual wield with the appropriate spec.

If you want to play as an engi/magus, you don't play as a single target/toughness roam spec. You spec appropiately.

WL you don't play with pet spec. You play loner.

Mara, you don't play a savagery/brutality build. You spec Monstro.

etc etc


All classes have specs that are not viable for warbands, if you want to play in proper warbands on these classes, maybe you don't get to play your preferred spec. For SH, this means you play mSH, rather than range.

I find it interesting how you compare a TANK Dps to a Squig herder, a RANGED DPS CLASS , telling them ''don't play the lolspec'' go melee...
You have totally understood the point of this entire post.

Because rSH isn't meant to be an aoe class, their range spec excels in other formats of the game. As shocking as this might be for some people to learn, there are in fact other facets to the game than mindless zerging,
aoe spamming and funnels. If you want to do those, Sh already has a spec that is suited to it.

The point clearly being that you should play the appropriate spec for whatever content you're doing if you want to do well in that content. You're all talking as though SH doesn't have an appropriate spec for aoe already, when it does. It's as simple as that. SW had no viable aoe build in any of spec. They were given one.

Sundowner wrote: Thu Oct 29, 2020 7:59 am

ceramicartist wrote: Thu Oct 29, 2020 5:54 am

Jabba wrote: Thu Oct 29, 2020 3:38 am

Because rSH isn't meant to be an aoe class, their range spec excels in other formats of the game. As shocking as this might be for some people to learn, there are in fact other facets to the game than mindless zerging,
aoe spamming and funnels. If you want to do those, Sh already has a spec that is suited to it.

The point clearly being that you should play the appropriate spec for whatever content you're doing if you want to do well in that content. You're all talking as though SH doesn't have an appropriate spec for aoe already, when it does. It's as simple as that. SW had no viable aoe build in any of spec. They were given one.

SW always had viable aoe from skirmish. We just received even better viability with the last major SW patch, at the cost of....quite a bit from Scout.

SW was buffed to be a bit more viable for wb and city playstyle. sh already has build that excels in these regards, only the fact that it doesn't have ranged aoe, doesn't mean that it should have one. sw and sh are not exact mirrors, sw's melee spec is viable only for solo target, not aoe, while sh melee spec is aoe.

Hardkoar wrote: Thu Oct 29, 2020 11:28 am

Sundowner wrote: Thu Oct 29, 2020 7:59 am

ceramicartist wrote: Thu Oct 29, 2020 5:54 am

SW always had viable aoe from skirmish. We just received even better viability with the last major SW patch, at the cost of....quite a bit from Scout.

SW was buffed to be a bit more viable for wb and city playstyle. sh already has build that excels in these regards, only the fact that it doesn't have ranged aoe, doesn't mean that it should have one. sw and sh are not exact mirrors, sw's melee spec is viable only for solo target, not aoe, while sh melee spec is aoe.

Destro melee was tuned down to be more balanced with Order melee, ranged was untouched, SHR is part of it. Mirrors but not equals =/= Unbalanced. The fact that people are ok with one side being blatantly stronger pretty much sums up why the balance is tipped to Easy mode Vs Masochists.

Xergon wrote: Thu Oct 29, 2020 11:40 am If u want to play rSH in WB atm only viable spec is ShotTruYa spam, with ExpertSkirmisher tactic, u need a bit brain and awarness to make use of that spec and ofc proper Guard n Heal to keep u alive while being close to enemy, but if u really want to be AoE usefull as rSH thats the only proper way atm.