Return of Reckoning

Foofmonger wrote: Fri May 08, 2020 8:02 pm Give ASWs a GTDC varaint.

Give Mara's Rampage but lock it behind being in Brutality/Monstro stances (and it gets purged if you switch to Savagery stance).

Now Slayer/Choppa are still powerful and good classes, ASW and Brut Marauders which are underperforming specs get a little love, both realms get parity with having access to the same kinds of ability/tactics, but not a direct mirror to allow for the uniqueness of balance that is the core of the WAR experience.

Best of all, less forum posts about the topic!

(also a shameless attempt at more Mara buffs, obviously).

SW would need a whole lot of adjustments to be made into some kind of warband viable melee. This would just end up making Marauders too strong (Rampage has a huge drawback in that it drains class mechanic, on a DPS class - Marauder would benefit a ton more because it allows debuffs/CC to strike through) while Order really doesn't get anything in return in practice.

There's a false equivalence being drawn between GTDC, which has a huge impact on all scales of RvR, and Rampage which basically lets Slayers backload damage against shield tanks if they're standing directly in front of them. If we wanted to even out pulls, Engineer pull would have to trigger as soon as it's cast like Magus (instead of having a long delay), and WL would need some way to pull that isn't reliant on a spastic pet.

Choppa and Slayer are somehow determined by 2 abillities each and theyr versatility.

If most of comunity and devs consider to touch rampage and GTDC so be it. My personel opinion is small changes to those skills would be acceptable.

I played Slayer up to rr 72 or so and now I am playing choppa rr 77 curently so my point of view is from both sides.

Possible changes:

Rampage ignore 50-75% parry/block.
Rampage does not exhaust Your rage, but its duration is only 10s.
Rampage cooldown is increased to 40s

Rampage is kill that ignore all armor/parry from equipment and renown points. That hurt mdps and tanks the most while it has zero effect on backline healers who dont stack those defensives anyway.
Definitely no needed to remove rampage or move it to morale!

GTDC only 180° cone infront of choppa (Now its 360°C)
GTDC remove 20% speed buff while channeling

In my personel opinion any of changes above will be acceptable for me. They are not that drastic as other sugestion about removing those skills or moving them to morale.

Dont forget those 2 classes must stay in red if they want to deal serious damage which make them most squishiest dps characters in game.
Any drastic changes to this classes will lead to ther replacement by characters who are equal or better in theyr department (ST or AoE) and has no such drawbacks(-50% armor+rezists)

I'm not sure if people haven't caught on yet, but we don't really care about the effectiveness of Rampage or GTDC. They serve different functions and do what they're expected to do. Including generating salt from the other side to spur continuous conversations about how to "fix" something that is working as intended.

This is fine.

wargrimnir wrote: Mon May 11, 2020 2:25 pm I'm not sure if people haven't caught on yet, but we don't really care about the effectiveness of Rampage or GTDC. They serve different functions and do what they're expected to do. Including generating salt from the other side to spur continuous conversations about how to "fix" something that is working as intended.

Didn't Leonine Frenzy also generate a lot of salt?

everyone leave my class alone, ty

teiloh wrote: Mon May 11, 2020 7:54 pm

wargrimnir wrote: Mon May 11, 2020 2:25 pm I'm not sure if people haven't caught on yet, but we don't really care about the effectiveness of Rampage or GTDC. They serve different functions and do what they're expected to do. Including generating salt from the other side to spur continuous conversations about how to "fix" something that is working as intended.

Didn't Leonine Frenzy also generate a lot of salt?

Only some salt generating skills/classes are ok. Others will be slapped with the nerf bat. Cause reasons.