Return of Reckoning

Aurandilaz wrote: Thu Apr 12, 2018 11:49 am If want easy renown and fast medals, solo on a dps class.
If you want to carry your realm to victory and push the frontlines towards enemy capital, play a support class.
Once you stand at the gates of Loldorf, all the dps will personally thank all those healers who threw them out of party hots and send silver coins to all those brave defensive tanks whose HoldTheLine efforts allowed the whole realm to push together back the tides of Order roleplayers. Your internal realmpride level will also increase in the end, fostering new age of friendship amongst the true heroes of the realm.


well okay, we might lack a greater campaign purpose for now, but letting support classes get renown rewards from actually providing support to their out-of-party allies is something we had on live, and IMO functioned well. Maybe tweak it some, but the current system where even healing other parties in warband is not rewarded, not to mention throwing heals to randoms in lakes... doesn't really feel right either.
There is a reason why considerable amount of rr80s and rr70+ chars are DPS classes, with relatively less healers and tanks in the upper echelons.
It also feels wrong, because unless you are one of the few lucky ones who get to run scheduled party/wb, you will be among the vast majority of people who pug a lot, and gains from hour spent in lakes roaming can be immense between a well played solo dps class or a tank/healer who really tries hard to help their pug wb or aids soloers, but gains far less from it.

darude83 wrote: Thu Apr 12, 2018 12:01 pm It's a new form of patriarchal oppression. It's no secret, that many of our fellow players who self-identify as female, play healing classes. Conveniently they are left out of their fair share of renown and xp, and are told to rely on (predominantly male) dps players.

I can't even that this is happening in 2018. Shame.

peterthepan3 wrote: Thu Apr 12, 2018 12:03 pm

darude83 wrote: Thu Apr 12, 2018 12:01 pm It's a new form of patriarchal oppression. It's no secret, that many of our fellow players who self-identify as female, play healing classes. Conveniently they are left out of their fair share of renown and xp, and are told to rely on (predominantly male) dps players.

I can't even that this is happening in 2018. Shame.

You see in any other game I would know you're joking, but legit can't tell here...

darude83 wrote: Thu Apr 12, 2018 12:13 pm

peterthepan3 wrote: Thu Apr 12, 2018 12:03 pm

darude83 wrote: Thu Apr 12, 2018 12:01 pm It's a new form of patriarchal oppression. It's no secret, that many of our fellow players who self-identify as female, play healing classes. Conveniently they are left out of their fair share of renown and xp, and are told to rely on (predominantly male) dps players.

I can't even that this is happening in 2018. Shame.

You see in any other game I would know you're joking, but legit can't tell here...

This is no laughing matter. I thought we made so much progress since #Gamergate, but apparently the old tyrannical power structures are still in place. I guess this is the result, when you're lacking equality in the dev team. You should really think about your regressive ways.

darude83 wrote: Thu Apr 12, 2018 12:01 pm It's a new form of patriarchal oppression. It's no secret, that many of our fellow players who self-identify as female, play healing classes. Conveniently they are left out of their fair share of renown and xp, and are told to rely on (predominantly male) dps players.

I can't even that this is happening in 2018. Shame.

Aurandilaz wrote: Thu Apr 12, 2018 11:49 am If want easy renown and fast medals, solo on a dps class.
If you want to carry your realm to victory and push the frontlines towards enemy capital, play a support class.
Once you stand at the gates of Loldorf, all the dps will personally thank all those healers who threw them out of party hots and send silver coins to all those brave defensive tanks whose HoldTheLine efforts allowed the whole realm to push together back the tides of Order roleplayers. Your internal realmpride level will also increase in the end, fostering new age of friendship amongst the true heroes of the realm.


well okay, we might lack a greater campaign purpose for now, but letting support classes get renown rewards from actually providing support to their out-of-party allies is something we had on live, and IMO functioned well. Maybe tweak it some, but the current system where even healing other parties in warband is not rewarded, not to mention throwing heals to randoms in lakes... doesn't really feel right either.
There is a reason why considerable amount of rr80s and rr70+ chars are DPS classes, with relatively less healers and tanks in the upper echelons.
It also feels wrong, because unless you are one of the few lucky ones who get to run scheduled party/wb, you will be among the vast majority of people who pug a lot, and gains from hour spent in lakes roaming can be immense between a well played solo dps class or a tank/healer who really tries hard to help their pug wb or aids soloers, but gains far less from it.