Return of Reckoning

Coma wrote:

kyrontor wrote:Also why a healer gets 0 renown for healing someone that hasn't killed anyone, while a dps gets renown for killing some enemy that hasn't killed anyone either, is beyond my understanding.

while I agree that healer's renown need to be looked at... THIS ia absolutely right... if you get renown for the simple act of healing regardless of what your target is doing that you could simply farm renown by having a BW/Sorc proc combustion with targetless skill... or by having someone jumping off a cliff

I didn't suggest anywhere that healers get renown regardless of their target.
DPS do get renown though regardless of their target (even AFKers).
They could make it so as to only get renown if their target has killed someone the last minute for example. So the very first kills don't produce any renown, later kills do.
Another idea is that you get no renown for killing and healing and you buff objectives renown instead.

ps: btw, if you give renown to kills only when they target enemies that have killed someone before (other than yourself) you kinda fix the RP exchange thing

kyrontor wrote:

Coma wrote:

kyrontor wrote:Also why a healer gets 0 renown for healing someone that hasn't killed anyone, while a dps gets renown for killing some enemy that hasn't killed anyone either, is beyond my understanding.

while I agree that healer's renown need to be looked at... THIS ia absolutely right... if you get renown for the simple act of healing regardless of what your target is doing that you could simply farm renown by having a BW/Sorc proc combustion with targetless skill... or by having someone jumping off a cliff

I didn't suggest anywhere that healers get renown regardless of their target.
DPS do get renown though regardless of their target (even AFKers).
They could make it so as to only get renown if their target has killed someone the last minute for example. So the very first kills don't produce any renown, later kills do.
Another idea is that you get no renown for killing and healing and you buff objectives renown instead.

ps: btw, if you give renown to kills only when they target enemies that have killed someone before (other than yourself) you kinda fix the RP exchange thing

and killing healers/tank would not produce any renown ^^... don't seem like a great idea... what's more the solution to a problem is not to extend the problem to everyone else ^^'

Coma wrote:

kyrontor wrote:

Coma wrote:
while I agree that healer's renown need to be looked at... THIS ia absolutely right... if you get renown for the simple act of healing regardless of what your target is doing that you could simply farm renown by having a BW/Sorc proc combustion with targetless skill... or by having someone jumping off a cliff

I didn't suggest anywhere that healers get renown regardless of their target.
DPS do get renown though regardless of their target (even AFKers).
They could make it so as to only get renown if their target has killed someone the last minute for example. So the very first kills don't produce any renown, later kills do.
Another idea is that you get no renown for killing and healing and you buff objectives renown instead.

ps: btw, if you give renown to kills only when they target enemies that have killed someone before (other than yourself) you kinda fix the RP exchange thing

and killing healers/tank would not produce any renown ^^... don't seem like a great idea... what's more the solution to a problem is not to extend the problem to everyone else ^^'

I am trying to solve the problem "I 'll logoff my healer and play my dps toon, cause it damn doesn't feel fair".
What problem are you trying to solve, the "I wanna get more renown than the other guys, just cause i play dps"?

Well no healers in open RvR would lead to more people caring I suppose and complaining about it. Not that it means anything on a private server, but yeah ....

Ive done cross group healing on live pretty often and ive loved it. That is much more dynamic and complex than gheal spam. The thing is that out of group heal was providing quite insane amount of renown.
The problem on ror is that the things get swaped. Now u got insane rp when dps/tank solo and zero when healing which imo is not better than the situation on live.
On my pre 20ish lvl wh i got tons more renown \and that comes from not so many kills\, emblems, even conq gear already than xgroup \cos the main dps wasnt on my group which was all over the place\ healing on pug wb.
Imo the things should be more equal. On live i liked to duo with dps but atm dps classes just dont need me cos it is better for them to surf the zerg and get a kill or two around and do tons more renown

kyrontor wrote:

Coma wrote:

kyrontor wrote:
I didn't suggest anywhere that healers get renown regardless of their target.
DPS do get renown though regardless of their target (even AFKers).
They could make it so as to only get renown if their target has killed someone the last minute for example. So the very first kills don't produce any renown, later kills do.
Another idea is that you get no renown for killing and healing and you buff objectives renown instead.

ps: btw, if you give renown to kills only when they target enemies that have killed someone before (other than yourself) you kinda fix the RP exchange thing

and killing healers/tank would not produce any renown ^^... don't seem like a great idea... what's more the solution to a problem is not to extend the problem to everyone else ^^'

I am trying to solve the problem "I 'll logoff my healer and play my dps toon, cause it damn doesn't feel fair".
What problem are you trying to solve, the "I wanna get more renown than the other guys, just cause i play dps"?

the problem is: healer get less renown than any other archetype

your solution is; reduce renown for everyone... while what I'm telling you is that the solution should be to give healer as much renown as dps/tank... but this can't be solved by giving healer renown for healing regardless of what the target is doing ^^' (this is how it worked in live and in live healer were doing 2x renown of any other class ^^')

dont fool yourselves out of group helaing from live was insane, the problem is that now it is the same for the other side. That was it is wrong

https://imgur.com/a/t2KR9

Well, I don't think the renown is insane for DPS. It is just grossly reduced for healers. Just bump up the renown for a healer actually doing their job ...healing. A healer shouldn't have to rely on a warband leader putting them in a group with competent DPS to get renown. They should get renown for healing everyone. Sure the situation on live was a bit much, but the pendulum has swung way way too much the other way here. Healers literally get less renown than anyone else.

Nameless wrote:dont fool yourselves out of group helaing from live was insane, the problem is that now it is the same for the other side. That was it is wrong

https://imgur.com/a/t2KR9

How about, that you (another destros) got your renown only because of his healing and keeping you alive? Isn't he deserved that reward?
Now it isn't that insane, huh?

No one thinks that those numbers are reasonable. Cap scenario renown depending on realm rank, say a certain amount at RR60 and a lesser amount at RR70. ORvR zone flip has a cap of what, 30K?