Return of Reckoning

than why disciple of khaine is viable as dps byt warpriest not? its because of disciple dualwield?

normanis wrote:than why disciple of khaine is viable as dps byt warpriest not? its because of disciple dualwield?

This + some of his abilities are simply better (with certain specs)

Arteker616 wrote:

Ashe wrote:I believe that we need one change that has already been introduced a long time ago. This is the wilpower overflow in str when you enable the Prayer of Righteousness. We have a set of laughs only to look at Bistlord.
We do not have an armor debuff (impossibility of stacking weapons skills), we do not have CC, CC break, and we do not have RD and CW. There is no initiative on DPS sets

u have snare , ini debuff, thoughnes debuff, and more armour most mdps have

snare 6 sec cd 10 sec nice ? So Wp is fine now yes?

Ashe wrote:

Arteker616 wrote:

Ashe wrote:I believe that we need one change that has already been introduced a long time ago. This is the wilpower overflow in str when you enable the Prayer of Righteousness. We have a set of laughs only to look at Bistlord.
We do not have an armor debuff (impossibility of stacking weapons skills), we do not have CC, CC break, and we do not have RD and CW. There is no initiative on DPS sets

u have snare , ini debuff, thoughnes debuff, and more armour most mdps have

snare 6 sec cd 10 sec nice ? So Wp is fine now yes?

it still better than choppa , slayer with guilt tactic u can turn it into 100% uptime snare , you have the best detaunt 15 seconds duration agaisnt 5 of slayer , choppas . wich u can use it on rdps before go into the mele , rd and cw? yeah neither do any other mdps , initiative? slot lis or buy it with rr , meanwhile u have more armour than other mdps and without a hindering mechanic for ur survavility.

u dont have armour debuff, cry me a river and learn to team up with ur local ib, wl , like most choppas slayers learn to do , u can break CC with m2.

Wp dps is totaly viable if u care to make it viable, sure its not that easy as a standard mdps , sure but thats the problem with a hybrid , u get tired of mele u can always fall back to heals, mdps doesnt have such luxury u know.

what u trying to get at all is basicly a wow ret paladin .

Wp dps is totaly viable if u care to make it viable, sure its not that easy as a standard mdps , sure but thats the problem with a hybrid , u get tired of mele u can always fall back to heals, mdps doesnt have such luxury u know.

what u trying to get at all is basicly a wow ret paladin .

No you cant simply go into healermode. You have to farm all the gear before you can do so.
Thats almost as tedious as levelling + gearing together.

To be fair, Arteker does raise some good points. Even in Wrath, you do tend to have a lot more survivability than other melee, have access to melee heals, quick rez, parry buffs, etc.

The class does need to have some inherent weaknesses, and its lack of mobility is one of these. I just wish it hit a bit harder when you actually get to the opponent

peterthepan3 wrote:To be fair, Arteker does raise some good points. Even in Wrath, you do tend to have a lot more survivability than other melee, have access to melee heals, quick rez, parry buffs, etc.

The class does need to have some inherent weaknesses, and its lack of mobility is one of these. I just wish it hit a bit harder when you actually get to the opponent

This is also what I think about Wrathpriest. Its quite decent, especially for PuG Play etc. But if you play it longer, you start to really miss out some of the "standard-toolkit" other melees have.

I really Enjoyed the WP in .ex mode. It was really strong that time. (the dmg spikes could be hefty but after the depletion of resources and AP starvation it felt still balanced)
But even if you play it a while and after the *oh wow feeling of tanking 3 melees* starts to fade, you still stand there with no fish nor meat. If thats your thing, than go for it @ OP

The problem with WP dps is you always end up with a self-healing tank.

This is not altogether a bad thing but there had to be a trade off. A self-healing mdps with the same output of a slayer or WL would just be broken

Fallenkezef wrote:The problem with WP dps is you always end up with a self-healing tank.

This is not altogether a bad thing but there had to be a trade off. A self-healing mdps with the same output of a slayer or WL would just be broken

very, very easy to fix that, and i believe such ideas were brainstormed/carried out in .ab ex.

If you are Wrath, your self-healing capabilities should be almost non-existent - Divine Assault being the only one you can rely on - while your actual damage is increased to offset. Spammable lifetaps will only work for Grace/Salvation, etc.

Also, Wrath WPs aren't actually any more defensive than a WL or Slayer with proper dominator/tactics.

Arteker616 wrote:
Wp dps is totaly viable if u care to make it viable, sure its not that easy as a standard mdps , sure but thats the problem with a hybrid , u get tired of mele u can always fall back to heals, mdps doesnt have such luxury u know.

If you are running Wrath, there is no chance that you will be able to "fall back to heal" our casted heals become poo-poo with our -40% on our healing abilities. DPS WP is not viable (in a meta 6v6 sense), but if you build a group around a geared one you will poop on any PuG, which can be said about any class/spec regardless of viability.