Return of Reckoning

wargrimnir wrote: This is not a MOBA. Build a community, get to know each other, don't be a ****. That's how you get new people to stay. By making it more gamey and accessible you get themepark MMO's, like the dozens that have failed since WAR launched. A million people show up for the ride, and promptly get off and leave once it's over. Games with no soul are bound to end up in MMO hell.

Elemint wrote:

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Darosh wrote: So much this. If MMOs and other games are played like singleplayer games, **** will invetiably hit the fan. See for example 'hard-implemented', completly automated lfg-tools in WoW.... they pretty much killed the community with that, the only thing that keeps player around is the time-sink and a variety of other measures - certainly not the mutist or otherwise toxic playerbase.
Another example would be GW2's or ESO's snowflakey swiss-knife approach... see how their PvP in general, but especially their RvR turned out.

Abbd.: Especially PvP centric games that revolve around groups are made or broken by their community. See live's pug-copalypse and it's impact on game design after the fact - it coerced Mythic to make bad things worse, as the feedback they've gotten was garbage-tier. Garbage-tier feedback + garbage devs, backers and managing = terrible things happening.

Why the **** do so many people complain about Dungeon Finder is beyond me to comprehend. "It killed the sense of community!" - no, it killed the pointless time waste that was looking for a group for an hour, waiting until everyone comes to the instance, looking for a( replacement for the guy that got bored with the 1h long wait, going in and then praying to every god from every lore that people won't disappear if a wipe happens. All DF did was make action flow faster by removing all the tedium. I'm not a 16 year old anymore, i don't have all **** day mate. If you wanted socialisation, there were still guilds, there were still global chats, and nothing stopped you from trying incite people for an instance trough LFG. Imagine if you had to stand in front of a scenario enterance with your group if you wanted to do scenarios - just the idea of it makes me want to scream quit wasting my ********** time

Oh, and stop using abbervation abbervation instead of addendum abbervation, it triggers me so

Elemint wrote:

Spoiler:

Darosh wrote: So much this. If MMOs and other games are played like singleplayer games, **** will invetiably hit the fan. See for example 'hard-implemented', completly automated lfg-tools in WoW.... they pretty much killed the community with that, the only thing that keeps player around is the time-sink and a variety of other measures - certainly not the mutist or otherwise toxic playerbase.
Another example would be GW2's or ESO's snowflakey swiss-knife approach... see how their PvP in general, but especially their RvR turned out.

Abbd.: Especially PvP centric games that revolve around groups are made or broken by their community. See live's pug-copalypse and it's impact on game design after the fact - it coerced Mythic to make bad things worse, as the feedback they've gotten was garbage-tier. Garbage-tier feedback + garbage devs, backers and managing = terrible things happening.

Why the **** do so many people complain about Dungeon Finder is beyond me to comprehend. "It killed the sense of community!" - no, it killed the pointless time waste that was looking for a group for an hour, waiting until everyone comes to the instance, looking for a replacement for the guy that got bored with the 1h long wait, going in and then praying to every god from every lore that people won't disappear if a wipe happens. All DF did was make action flow faster by removing all the tedium. I'm not a 16 year old anymore, i don't have all **** day mate. If you wanted socialisation, there were still guilds, there were still global chats, and nothing stopped you from trying incite people for an instance trough LFG. Imagine if you had to stand in front of a scenario enterance with your group if you wanted to do scenarios - just the idea of it makes me want to scream quit wasting my ********** time

Oh, and stop using abbervation abbervation instead of addendum abbervation, it triggers me so

Dial it back - Torque

Darosh wrote: Make an effort to educate yourself ~ at best before you throw temper tantrums, hint: personal perception is worth nothing, i.e.: make a point worth discussing.