Return of Reckoning

lastalien wrote:neighbor's chicken is always better than our goose

i knew this with grass and be greener but ye kinda isn't it?

Tesq wrote:
i knew this with grass and be greener but ye kinda isn't it?

Same

Jaycub wrote:Idk, I honestly feel like my mara does more damage than my WH even with SoD up. The TB>Claw>HD>channel(cancel) into guillotine combo is retarded burst and usually kills ungaurded pugs outright and only has a 10 sec cd. If TB crits that's an opener that does ~2500 damage, kinda insane really.

WH/WE bogged down by stealth timers, 60 sec CD buffs and whatnot. Hell mara even gets a better 60 sec CD buff and it's not a class defining skill like they are for WE/WH (each tree has 1 you can spec and there are even arbitrary limitation on using more than 1).

WL being the same thing, trading wounds debuff for high damage skills like coordinated strike and better mobility via pounce (not counting mara utlity just killing potential).

Well to be honest it is just the fact that Mara's are ridiculous to the point of gimping any other melee dps, and most tanks out of a premade spot.

Half the reason people view BG with such disregard, despite its many great debuffs, is because mara provides them all as well so it becomes a wasted spot.

How is a choppa or WE going to compare to a mara that not only provides the strong debuffs, and great survivability, but until as well? People complain about WL pounce but they don't nearly bring as much to the table as a mara does, just the wounds debuff alone is devastating. Any mdps would sell a kidney for it, and it is really only the tip of the iceberg, when it comes to mara.

The worst thing about maras is they are so fricking tanky while getting so much dmg from tactics and debuffs shoven up their a**es. Choppa/we cant compete in terms of survivability.

I dont understand it aswell. You can neutralize the WL so easy by just killing his weak pet. And people still complain after the pounce nerf about the WL.

The Marauder is just OP and i wonder when they fix that.

gandresch wrote:I dont understand it aswell. You can neutralize the WL so easy by just killing his weak pet. And people still complain after the pounce nerf about the WL.

The Marauder is just OP and i wonder when they fix that.

People say the same about WL on destro side you know...

Basically WLs:

-have the best mobility.
-have the best melee burst.
-have medium armor (like marauder).
-have the best armor debuff (like marauder).

I'm sure WL is not as good as mara when it comes to group play, but damn, when you get killed in 2 GCD by a WL, you really start to ask yourself when the class will be fixed.

Just like you did it.

WL pet can be repoped, and good WLs don't send theirs pets to suicide anyway. And of course, if you focus the pet when hitted by a WL, you're dead.

ToXoS wrote:
I'm sure WL is not as good as mara when it comes to group play, but damn, when you get killed in 2 GCD by a WL, you really start to ask yourself when the class will be fixed.

This only happens if you are solo, dont detaunt, dont use potions, dont use CC on the WL, etc.

Penril wrote:

ToXoS wrote:
I'm sure WL is not as good as mara when it comes to group play, but damn, when you get killed in 2 GCD by a WL, you really start to ask yourself when the class will be fixed.

This only happens if you are solo, dont detaunt, dont use potions, dont use CC on the WL, etc.

With my SH it happens even when I play on WB personally. And in 2 GCD I don't have the time to do all of these things. Especially when the WL KD me.

Penril wrote:

ToXoS wrote:
I'm sure WL is not as good as mara when it comes to group play, but damn, when you get killed in 2 GCD by a WL, you really start to ask yourself when the class will be fixed.

This only happens if you are solo, dont detaunt, dont use potions, dont use CC on the WL, etc.

that's happen when you make a movement to go into one direction when wl wait, send pet when you start hit something (with speed tactic, so you cant coutner react) then pounce nuke target; all of this happen in 2-3 sec.
The target is mostly unguarded because either a rdps away from tank or a healer; if a healer it also have a 25% heal debuff for him Best thing infact this is a party game in fact you will have a sw ready to KD so that target cant detaunt/pot whatever,,,,

->dont let enemy play it always resolve around this an guess what order are better are this, when a mara came in your aface it take a lot to apply all of these debuff and you have time to coutnerplay, against most order combo you dont have time to coutner play you have to pre play---

pre vs coutner play, the first is harder and destru offer more time to coutnerplay than order.

Tell you what: I will log tonight on whatever class you guys want, and you will log a WL. If you don't kill me in 2GCDs, you never post it again. Deal?