Return of Reckoning

zabis wrote:

Druin wrote:

zabis wrote:I have read through, and the only explanation I have seen is that melee healing was too powerful. So, now we get to go back to the backline caster is too powerful. At least with the .ab ex, that got more people playing as a frontline healer, which was the purpose of the patch.

It's because you just spam RS and TF essence and we can't do anything properly about that without client control.

Standing in back and spamming Khaine's Embrace is preferable then?

Neither is great.

Exactly, at least with .ab ex, the class was being used how it was intended to be used

That's still how the classes are intended to be used. Further work will be done on .ab ex and it will be reimplemented when we have client control. I don't know how many times this needs to be explained...

"Damned if you do, damned if you don't" applies very well here. They already know what works and what doesn't, so just give them time and play another class.

zabis wrote:I have read through, and the only explanation I have seen is that melee healing was too powerful. So, now we get to go back to the backline caster is too powerful. At least with the .ab ex, that got more people playing as a frontline healer, which was the purpose of the patch.

Honestly, backline dok/wp weren't too powerful, they were (are currently) to easy. But not to powerful especially if you take into account group play and what other cloth healers bring to the table. And that's exactly the point when it comes to balance, you've to take into account group synergy instead of just watching pug backline WP/DoKs being hard to kill.

The current .ab ex we had was game-breaking, what do you prefer? Game breaking class or a class that is to easy to play but its not ruining the game for everybody else? Seriously..

Overall I liked that it was decided to step back, not because I dislike the fact of DoK/WP becoming melee healers, but simply because it is not possibly to properly do it without client control without breaking the class. I see this is a good sign.

Not to powerful? They had grp cleanse grp heals grp shield aoe detaunt high Amor and Wahl u have to do was klicking 5 Buttons... Hell

Daknallbomb wrote:Not to powerful? They had grp cleanse grp heals grp shield aoe detaunt high Amor and Wahl u have to do was klicking 5 Buttons... Hell

Not going into details here, but at least its better then spamming 1 button (on the .ab ex) healing for 1.6k every global cooldown without any counter-play? At least they can be interrupted and heal debuffed now which good players can exploit. Besides AoE cleanse change remains. But again, not defending the class, just saying that the melee healer version was much worse - due fact of not having client control to fully make the necessary changes.

Azarael wrote:
This isn't a U-turn and it certainly doesn't mean that backline WP and DoK are being endorsed or that they represent our path forward. They don't, and future builds may not even support the idea of backlining if the melee component can be made to work

So can i get a RR refund to distrubate to a toon of my choise if that last part is happening, As i've spent almoast a year of progression on my DoK wich I could have used on any of my other healers. I'm not intreasted in playing a melee healer tbh.

Guys, there is a WP/Dok thread already where you can discuss about .ab ex.

viewtopic.php?f=96&t=18486

dur3al wrote:

Daknallbomb wrote:Not to powerful? They had grp cleanse grp heals grp shield aoe detaunt high Amor and Wahl u have to do was klicking 5 Buttons... Hell

Not going into details here, but at least its better then spamming 1 button (on the .ab ex) healing for 1.6k every global cooldown without any counter-play? At least they can be interrupted and heal debuffed now which good players can exploit. Besides AoE cleanse change remains. But again, not defending the class, just saying that the melee healer version was much worse - due fact of not having client control to fully make the necessary changes.

Melee heal dok can be disarmed, kd, punted, punt the tank that is guarding them, detaunted.