Return of Reckoning

Public criticism is a part of our societal structure. Its how we enforce norms like following laws and moral decency.

Azarael wrote:No idea where you live but here in the UK we have articles all the time reporting crimes, their perpetrators and the punishments issued. I personally don't give a damn about secondary repercussions for knowingly violating the rules, and I think the concept is absolutely great. I even think that some people would fear more having their reputations harmed than they would fear the temp ban. Damage is permanent, bans are temporary.

The reason you might find a difference in perceptions on this is because, the Anglo-American justice system is different from the Continental European system on this issue. The Continental European system generally says the punishment the judiciary determines is sufficient, and that is that (Employers can still request details of criminal record, but the individual can refuse to provide them). The Anglo-American system makes information public for the sake of transparency.

Morbidmind wrote:Public criticism is a part of our societal structure. Its how we enforce norms like following laws and morale decency.

You should not use words that you dont know what they mean.

I misspelled morale if that's what you meant, my bad kinda alt tabbing in and out from fighting.

bloodi wrote:Kids can be kids and **** up real badly and realize their **** up in 1 year or two, has happened plenty before.

And if you really want to know, people already gave you the answer, anyone you really want to know you can check them in the armory and see their renown rank, if its low, he was resetted for exploiting it.

In my time here I have met maybe 1-2 guys who are actually under 18. It's not a kids mistake.

Yep dumb **** has happened before, but not before our new, shiny, transparent, Ban system and appeal system.

Where do you draw the line? Make people pay the price for some bans, but not for actually cheating? Or making public someone who gets mouthy in public chat but not someone who gains an un fair advantage in PvP? Not even going into the repercussions of account wipes MADE PUBLIC due to botting.

dont understant all this stress, no1 cares about xrealmers, NB users (cheaters)... why is simple test of rr 80 abilities can be a problem ;p is just another exploit...

with all respect

Zanilos wrote:

Azarael wrote:Well what's not helping here is that we agreed a while back that bans of 1 day or longer would be posted in the Bans forum. This was for transparency reasons and to protect GMs from malicious accusations.

Now, there's something I don't get here.

Why do people jump to protect players who were banned?

Why should I or anyone else give a crap about what the repercussions are for a banned player if the reason and duration of his ban is made public? Shouldn't that be something I should wish to encourage, as it offers a greater incentive for players to obey those rules which, if broken, would incur the universal wrath of the playerbase?

If it's good enough for the real life justice system, it's good enough for us. Name them. This "name and shame is bad" **** has to stop. Name and shame is bloody great, because it pillories people who deserve to be pilloried.

This. Pretty much sums my feeling towards this.

Bretins ban thread was updated straight away, no one else was mentioned. ( not sticking up for him only using as an example)

Some people really **** up. REALLY **** up. The player base will find ways to find them and out them.

He was the only one to be perma-banned from this. I heard on the grapevine, there were around 100+ people who got banned/exiled for this. That's a lot of ban threads to post.

I'm all or naming and shaming. I doubt that most of the main names you see in-game will be on the list, but mostly just the old unguilded pug bunch.

Crossrealmers and NB users are not breaking our rules.

Regarding the rest of the topic: I don't really see it as bullying if someone gets wrecked for doing something that's a taboo, and if anything I would completely endorse anyone's right to shun anyone else or discriminate against them based on misconduct that they have committed. If I see that someone gets a ban for using the n-word against a black person, for example, would I refuse to associate with that person and feel justified in doing so? Yes, any day of the week. That in itself serves to reinforce the idea that if you behave reprehensibly, you may find that there are lasting long-term consequences for having done so. For people who lack empathy, this is one of the few tools left.

Let's be honest here: active discrimination against rulebreakers is going to last for a duration quite related to the nature of the offense in question. The community are only going to employ this retribution against players who have caused damage worthy of holding a grudge for so long. I think it's no more than legitimate players deserve to be informed when people violate the rules in a way which cheapens a legitimate player's game experience.

Danielle wrote:
The reason you might find a difference in perceptions on this is because, the Anglo-American justice system is different from the Continental European system on this issue. The Continental European system generally says the punishment the judiciary determines is sufficient, and that is that (Employers can still request details of criminal record, but the individual can refuse to provide them). The Anglo-American system makes information public for the sake of transparency.

It varies quite alot between countries. In Sweden, for instance, anyone can just contact the court and read the ruling which contain name and personal details. If you like you can even sit and watch the trial. In fact, a student assignment when I attended law school was to attend a criminal trial. Heck, there even is a webpage where you can type in an adress and see how many convicted people live close by. Initially that webpage had the names of those convicted but after massive critisism they removed the names.

@GMs and Devs:

GOOBLE GOBBLE, NAME AND SHAME!!! GOOBLE GOBBLE, GOOBLE GOBBLE!