White lion Pounce

[Razid1987]

WL have both a snare and a charge. If, and I am not saying that it should, pounce got a cd it would be no need at all to add anything extra in the mobility or cc department.

All Tanks have a slow, and an AoE root ability. Some tanks even have two AoE root abilities. What's your point?

Pounce is a gap-closer ability. If you land 15 ft behind a moving target, guess what? You haven't closed the gap.
In other words, the abilities would be useless, and you would have to burn Charge as well to get to people. Why would you do that, when you probably could just have used Charge only, and gotten the same result? Besides, this is not even considering the fact that many classes has roots and snares to counter Charge. What is the WL suppose to do with Charge AND Pounce on CD? Nothing. He dies.

And yes, Im fully aware that Marauders, Choppas, and Slayers don't have Pounce. That's an entirely different discussion that has nothing to do with the topic of this thread. So please stay on topic.

[Nekkma]

The point was that you said a 5 second cd on pounce would kill the ability, i.e. making it useless. This is not the case. Pouncing on non moving targets, or already snared and otherwise cced target, would still be just as good and in the case of moving targets pounce plus charge plus snare would still be the highest mobility of mdps and far from a useless ability.

I do not think pounce need a cd but claiming a 5 second cd would kill the ability is hyperbole.

[Razid1987]

The point was that you said a 5 second cd on pounce would kill the ability, i.e. making it useless. This is not the case. Pouncing on non moving targets, or already snared and otherwise cced target, would still be just as good and in the case of moving targets pounce plus charge plus snare would still be the highest mobility of mdps and far from a useless ability.

I do not think pounce need a cd but claiming a 5 second cd would kill the ability is hyperbole.

I never mentioned 5 seconds, you did. I was probably thinking of something like 15-20 sec cooldown, like in other MMOs with Charge-like abilities. So yes, if it doesn't have a root and that was indeed the cd, I'd still say it's useless as it's a gap-closer, and without a root, it wouldn't (and even now doesn't) close the gap.

Only a non-moving target? You can't see how unreliable that is? "Oh, ****! He moved. Oh well, I guess I'll get the next one :<".

The thing is, that WLs shine in solo roaming. Who is gonna snare/cc the target then, if not the WL himself?
If you add a CD and don't give a snare back in return, you pretty much take away the one advantage it has, in one single aspect of the game.

We ran with 2 WLs in our WB yesterday. Why? Because one member's main is bugged, so he can't use it, and the other likes to play WL. Not because it's good, or OP, or anything like that, but because it was what was available to us. It was sub-optimal. Yet, people here talk about WLs as if they are the most OP class in the game. It's simply not true. Play one up to 21, spec into Pounce, and you'll know. I bet 90% of the Destros complaining about the abilities haven't even tried to use it themselves.

[Manolitow]

Ohh Manolitow your posts is lol.
how many years u playing in warhammer? Ma y be you newbie? How you can compare Wl and choppa. lol. its different classes.
Or may be u tired of dying from a WL? your ass in the fire? play mara and become a GOD)

since the opening 2007/2008...

I dont compare choppa and wl... i just ask how other melée class do without pount for go on melée or leave it...
they have charge and immun to controle like all other melee class
I'm not for delete this skill but a nerf for stop spaming this jump... u think its normal to do 8 jump sucessive?? this abilities need a little cd or little bit more ap
I dont talk about dps, build, tactic and co...

[Aceboltz]

The bad faith in this topic is astonishing.
In the world of videogames, no other dev dared to give a melee class perma-immunity to kite specially not a mele class with a burst so high they can fight without healdebuff. Big damage dealers are supposed to be squishy RDDs or kite able MDPS. But mythic devs though it would be a good idea to give an order melee class big burst damage with 2H weapon, immunity to slow/kite/cc, fetch, ensnare AND pet. They also benefit from knight buffs and rkd while not having to face them.
I won't say it's OP but it's totally brain dead easy-mode and in MMOs easier == better . Mara is a lot harder to play thanks to stance dance, long sequences, being perma slow, lower damage and being kited all the time like all other melee classes.

The thing is, that WLs shine in solo roaming.

Isn't this game supposed to be a group vs group game? Why AN OTHER order class is allowed to "shine" while playing solo is beyond me.
And don't tell me l2P wl are easy to counter because their run out of ap very fast when basically the only thinking solo WL put into the fight is will I drink HP or AP pot? Because while he is taking is time deciding, pounce, AA and pet are doing easy sustained damage.

[Sigimund]

...being kited all the time like all other melee classes.

This won't last forever.

[Nekkma]

I never mentioned 5 seconds, you did.

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Atleast give pounce a cooldown that wont destroy it will it? 5 secs wouldnt kill lol

And you answered:

Actually it would.

You can see why I would think so.

[Scrilian]

Mara is a lot harder to play

You wut m8?

[murmelon]

Take off damage from "Pounce" and will be ok

[Aceboltz]

Mara is a lot harder to play

You wut m8?

The button smashing part may not be that harder but you have to stance dance , you have quite a lot of abilities to correctly chain but the hard part is about your position, if you don't stick very close to your tanks and are not in the correct place 100% of the time you will get punished so hard as a mara. WL on the other hand can SUPER bunny hop to avoid melees and close gaps and can keep his charge/immune/flee to escape.