Return of Reckoning

Penril wrote:Are people really complaining about WE/WH?

This thread just hit rock bottom.

It's just easy to be subjective about a class when you don't look at the big picture.

Well to bring the conversation back to mara, why does maras snare not have a dmg type? it cant be clensed by healers

i just find it odd

Ungrin wrote: Just want to throw it out there.. You get a ranged slow on all your attacks with a dok in the group.. just saying.

SH gets Ranged KD / KB (although it's on the pet (I know, WL pain)).
SH gets the ranged debuff (same as SW, literally no point in posting that one).
SH gets the ranged slow..
SH gets the same self punt + snare..

You get a ranged snare on all your attacks with a dok ? i thought it was a 20% chance to proc a massive 20% snare on an attack not a range snare, and comparing a kd tied to a squig that has to be in melle range has to be a joke right ?
Granted if u do compare sh to sw who wins will likely be determined on if the sh gets the disarm in first or if the sw gets the kd in first and would if anything point towards sh winning due to the pet.

I think this thread says what we all know, mara debate then turns into sw ranting. Adjust, change ,nerf whatever you wana call it mara's and sw's and we should all be happier(slightly)

Morf wrote:

Ungrin wrote: Just want to throw it out there.. You get a ranged slow on all your attacks with a dok in the group.. just saying.

SH gets Ranged KD / KB (although it's on the pet (I know, WL pain)).
SH gets the ranged debuff (same as SW, literally no point in posting that one).
SH gets the ranged slow..
SH gets the same self punt + snare..

You get a ranged snare on all your attacks with a dok ? i thought it was a 20% chance to proc a massive 20% snare on an attack not a range snare, and comparing a kd tied to a squig that has to be in melle range has to be a joke right ?
Granted if u do compare sh to sw who wins will likely be determined on if the sh gets the disarm in first or if the sw gets the kd in first and would if anything point towards sh winning due to the pet.

I think this thread says what we all know, mara debate then turns into sw ranting. Adjust, change ,nerf whatever you wana call it mara's and sw's and we should all be happier(slightly)

My post was 100% in regards to Cory's which was saying that SH's don't get things SW's do but they in fact do, just on the pet. Same as how WL gets stuff that Mara gets.. just on the pet..

Ungrin wrote: My post was 100% in regards to Cory's which was saying that SH's don't get things SW's do but they in fact do, just on the pet. Same as how WL gets stuff that Mara gets.. just on the pet..

now now thats unfair; i didnt say anything like that

i listed the things that sw had and said the class can kite just fine

Coryphaus wrote:
aoe self punt + snare

knockback

range knock down

ranged slow

ablity which reduces the range of you targets abilities

i see nothing wrong with sws ability to kite

also to take it one step further sw has acid arrow to deal with armored targets and perice defenses can remove the entire block bonus you get from rr

Coryphaus wrote:

Ungrin wrote: My post was 100% in regards to Cory's which was saying that SH's don't get things SW's do but they in fact do, just on the pet. Same as how WL gets stuff that Mara gets.. just on the pet..

now now thats unfair; i didnt say anything like that

i listed the things that sw had and said the class can kite just fine

Coryphaus wrote:
aoe self punt + snare

knockback

range knock down

ranged slow

ablity which reduces the range of you targets abilities

i see nothing wrong with sws ability to kite

also to take it one step further sw has acid arrow to deal with armored targets and perice defenses can remove the entire block bonus you get from rr

Ah I guess, maybe I felt as though you were saying SW kites just as good as SH.. regardless, there's always that small semblance of balance across classes except mara.. mara is OP

Morf wrote:

Ungrin wrote: Just want to throw it out there.. You get a ranged slow on all your attacks with a dok in the group.. just saying.

SH gets Ranged KD / KB (although it's on the pet (I know, WL pain)).
SH gets the ranged debuff (same as SW, literally no point in posting that one).
SH gets the ranged slow..
SH gets the same self punt + snare..

You get a ranged snare on all your attacks with a dok ? i thought it was a 20% chance to proc a massive 20% snare on an attack not a range snare, and comparing a kd tied to a squig that has to be in melle range has to be a joke right ?
Granted if u do compare sh to sw who wins will likely be determined on if the sh gets the disarm in first or if the sw gets the kd in first and would if anything point towards sh winning due to the pet.

I think this thread says what we all know, mara debate then turns into sw ranting. Adjust, change ,nerf whatever you wana call it mara's and sw's and we should all be happier(slightly)

Why wouldn't you compare the SH to the SW? They are mirrors. Mythic decided that tying half of the Archer's utility to melee was a good idea. That DoK snare? Mirror it to WP. Problem solved.

but which of the prayers would you replace

Coryphaus wrote:but which of the prayers would you replace

Righteousness, of course.

Penril wrote:

Coryphaus wrote:but which of the prayers would you replace

Righteousness, of course.

Celerity is Righteousness, it just does a little less damage and has a snare component.