Return of Reckoning

WB works fine. you always have to consider that the WE is a light armor class with literally no defensive and that WB has a 10 second CD.

the dmg of WB doesn't scale with ANYTHING, it's a flat amount of dmg which is mitigated by corp. resistance and which is not affected by either strength, flanking or any other modifier in the game. the burst is not frontloaded like the one you had with PA on live when you were able to deal 15k damage in 2 seconds after your opener. against a guarded target it's like 150-200 dmg. you can't proc more than 4x WB in 1gcd that's roughly 600-800 damage (pre mitigation) and requires you to have the opener cause otherwise you will lose your WB stacks on the way building up your HRT. add a kobs or am in the group and it's 400-500. to proc it 4 times in that gcd it requires to give up your bloodthirst for HRT, having a double auto attack hit and forces you to build up your way to the next WB in min. 7.5 seconds if you don't use Sever Blessing which is one of the best skills the WE has. With SB it will take 10 seconds + the 6,5s before where you unloaded it (pre loading 1,5, stealth 2, opener 1,5 and WP 1,5 followed by HRT). so it's up every 16.5 seconds. to use the we's full burst potential it requires you to have the opener which means the max. burst potential of the WE is on a 1 min CD, while classes like marauder or choppa just can melt through everything while being tanky as **** and having cd's of max 10s + by far better defensive mechanics.

WE is definitely not OP and WB works fine.

edit: the class requires also by far more skill than any of those med. armor classes who do have more or at least the same dmg potential a witch elf does. i don't see any problem

Can confirm that WE is not easy

After playing tanks for so long its kinda jarring to not to be able to get stuck in


Having said that im rather suprised that that even in the witch brew spec you would use EB as i thought the general consensus was that EB and fervor were wastes of GCD's and should be used for nothing more that hiding debuffs or should just be removed from your hot bar

Bretin wrote:
edit: the class requires also by far more skill than any of those med. armor classes who do have more or at least the same dmg potential a witch elf does. i don't see any problem and your whine - after probably watching my videos and realizing how good a WE can do - is even more stupid than tesq whining about destru in general 24/7

#PrayForOrder

You didnt mention anyone but since this is just under my post, i assume it is directed at me?

If so, chill your tits. I agree that Witchbrew is fine (play one myself). I just linked that video for Mursi because he mentioned WB being different than on live (which is true). And i don't think anyone here has said "nerf WB".

mursie wrote:

Penril wrote: Currently you can get several WB procs in a second (2 from HRT, 1-2 from autoattacks) giving you huge burst.

And this is how it worked on live. You guys do the comparison and see for yourselves if there is a difference or not.


Click here to watch on YouTube

It was Nydig that noted the difference in wb the other day. On Live WB had an ICD between procs. A 5 point WB would take up to 10 seconds in many cases to be fully used.

On RoR there is apparently no ICD... creating huge burst.

As nydig said "if they don't fix this before T4, witch elves with IP and WB will be absolutely broken"

You've been warned

in that video you can't see how it worked on live since the guy didn't either use WSCT nor a timestamp in his clog.

"you've been warned " - by a noname guy from badlands with a standard ui and a mediocre gameplay, worth as much as tesq's opinion about SL. grats on that.

Penril wrote:

Bretin wrote:
edit: the class requires also by far more skill than any of those med. armor classes who do have more or at least the same dmg potential a witch elf does. i don't see any problem and your whine - after probably watching my videos and realizing how good a WE can do - is even more stupid than tesq whining about destru in general 24/7

#PrayForOrder

You didnt mention anyone but since this is just under my post, i assume it is directed at me?

If so, chill your tits. I agree that Witchbrew is fine (play one myself). I just linked that video for Mursi because he mentioned WB being different than on live (which is true). And i don't think anyone here has said "nerf WB".

no it was more likely directed to my other murican friend and i can see what this thread will become

ps: the tooltipp doesn't say it has an internal CD

Combat Log might not have timestamps but it definitely shows a different behavior to the current implementation.

It's either ICD based or proc chance. My guess is a ICD of 2s.
Nevertheless, that you can currently dump all stacks within a second or two was never the case and is too strong.

inb4 witchbrew nerf

tbh it would be easier to just permaban Bretin so we wont have to nerf every class he likes to play

(my job in this thread is done)

taccr wrote:Nevertheless, that you can currently dump all stacks within a second or two was never the case and is too strong.

read my post before you can't dump all stacks within 1 second, if so pls enlighten me and tell me how! the maximum dump potential is 4/6 (!) and requires a double auto attack proc + having the opener after preloading it before cause otherwise you would simply not have the BT to use HRT without losing the stacks on w/e skill which is used to build up BT.

So reading bertins post about WB, am i to interpret that the ability or atleast the corp dot component scales poorly since it does not benifit from str? As we know resists get much higher down the line?