Return of Reckoning

Coryphaus wrote:So

You want to play a 2h character while still being pretty durable n stuff ?


2h ironbreaker

http://waronlinebuilder.org/#career=ib; ... :3759:3760:

Aha! Very clever. Pushing misinformation to create an army of terrible Ironbreakers. Very clever, indeed.

Thats... the IB build i used on live

thats the very same ib 2h build that was used in the PrettyFly series


Click here to watch on YouTube

unless you can point out what is wrong with the build i dont see why you can criticize it

Coryphaus wrote:http://waronlinebuilder.org/#career=bg; ... 3:;0:0:0:0:

50% aa haste, highest wounds debuff in the game and you can apply in an aoe , un detauntable, crit on spend hate, durability with good base willpower + buff and durability with shield of rage and bolstering anger, anti crit ability, non tactic needing super punt

BG has the potential to be an extremely strong 2h tank, all they need is a kd in the 2h path like blade of ruin if was turned into a cave in mirror

or spiteful slam was changed to proc on parry instead of block

Solo roam Ironbreaker build
But IB is still better, than BG.

Also, highest WOU debuff - Mara has the same or rly close single WOU debuff
And Chosen have AOE WOU debuff too and it's only a fewer than BG have, but has 100% chance
50% AA haste - DOK has it too
And the only really cool thing is auto detaunt removal (can't remember, who has it too in the entire game?!) - paired with 50% outgoing healing debuff, this will be pain in the ... for any healer or damager

No chosens is not 100%

Blast wave can be blocked and has 20s cd on the ability, monsterous rending has no cd which is what allows you to apply the ability in aoe, furthermore chosens only go up as far as quake in the discord tree in most cases and compare that to how high up hastened doom is, the difference in the number of wounds removed by the 2 abilities is very large

Even the base 25 between Mara and bg is still noticeable

AA haste on docks are irrelevant as it's not like doks will want to be trying to dps any way

Yeah 2h ib is better but 2h bg is so bad in compassion to dps SnB spec bg that no one really goes 2h bg anyway

Also lol no dwarves reposte or earthshatter in that in build and runic shield is garbage late game, sorcs who are the only ones that ability is good for can pop it so fast

Coryphaus wrote:No chosens is not 100%

Blast wave can be blocked and has 20s cd on the ability, monsterous rending has no cd which is what allows you to apply the ability in aoe, furthermore chosens only go up as far as quake in the discord tree in most cases and compare that to how high up hastened doom is, the difference in the number of wounds removed by the 2 abilities is very large

Even the base 25 between Mara and bg is still noticeable

AA haste on docks are irrelevant as it's not like doks will want to be trying to dps any way

Yeah 2h ib is better but 2h bg is so bad in compassion to dps SnB spec bg that no one really goes 2h bg anyway

Also lol no dwarves reposte or earthshatter in that in build and runic shield is garbage late game, sorcs who are the only ones that ability is good for can pop it so fast

Pretty hard to understand this...
Rending blade has 5 sec CD
25 noticeable? Really? How?
Dwarves Riposte?

Ok first off you state that chosen has a wounds debuff that applies 100% of the time

This is untrue as first and Formosa chosens wounds debuff requires you to use a specific aura type and all auras are situational and the wounds debuff is tied to blast wave which can be blocked and has a 20s cd

Compare this to hastend doom which removes 50 more wounds even at only the base level and only requires you to crit on order to apply the debuff which you can simply use monsterous rending bg ability that has no cd and only costs 30 hate to hit all targets 25ft in front off you allowing you to easily apply the debuff to multiple targets, espicallly when you combine this with the attic that inc your crit chance after you spend hate

Yes the difference between 100 and 125 wounds removed is noticeable espicallly when you can apply it to multiple targets where as maras cannot and furthermore has other things they need do on their rotations


Dwarves reposte tactic, 30 grudge on parry, with their weapon skill buff and rr points Ibs can gain a pretty nice Larry rate and I was pointing out that in the ib spec you posted you didn't pick up that tactic nor did you get earthshatter

I still think, that 250 HP is not noticeable value

And yes, Rending Blade requires to crit.

But you need to actually parry to regen hate at your IB. With 3 sec CD.

Coryphaus wrote:... bg loses their 5 sec kd

IIRC, and it's been a while, AAAND because it was mostly unpopular per your statement above, there were a few BG who were the only career who could pierce front line and head straight for, and wipe out, every damn BW in back line as well as keep most AM's in self-healing mode. Often heard the BG's 2h spec called 'anti-caster' or 'anti-magic' build/tree.

Bg is one of the few classes in the game who can get near 100% magic immunity

With high willpower from base + buff and combine that with hold the line disrupt chance and the tactic that gives 3% disrupt per 10 hate and that secondary tactic that gives move speed + ap per disrupt

Bg hardly needs to go 2h to be anti caster

Luftwaffle wrote: Are there any Tanks that can get away with using a 2H instead of a SnB as their mainstay?

Don't use 2hander on tanks. Period.