Proposed WH changes

[abezverkhiy]

Well... I can agree that longer stealth is a quality of life improvement. But what is going to happen once stealth is made shorter? Will WBs be inviting WHs? No, because the usefulness is unchanged. Hence, they will be loitering around killing staggers and just die a bit more often. Tanks have regen, zealots have pushback that gives no immunity, magi got plenty perks and only WHs got nerfs. With or without them we still be not welcome by WB leaders.

[rorswar]

… and only WHs got nerfs. With or without them we still be not welcome by WB leaders.

Have you even read the patch notes for SW. Nerf after nerf after nerf. AOE spec got gutted in range AND damage AND armour pen. Do you think they’ll have a WB place left?

Yet, people will still solo roam SW. Without stealth.

Honestly, the drama is off the charts. 30s. You said yourself you can walk quarter of a map, get through a post and to top floor.

Maybe, just maybe, like everyone else stealth classes need to use terrain, LoS, learn to hide and use stealth strategically a bit, like everyone else is forced with their mechanic, rather than be treated like some sort of special class.

The entitlement is insane. I mean, Hienz saying that now you can’t get through a guarded poster that has AOE spammed on it. What in the world made you think that was even normal? It’s invisibility, not immortality. No other class with bypass could do that… they had to consider which posters they took, and time things correctly. Why would stealth classes be any different? Why was it considered normal that stealth can engage at will, and when losing, disengage at will again and disappear in stealth whilst taking damage?

Stealth classes, WE in particular, have been telling the server for a year that it’s a skill issue, to adapt, to group up, to spec defensively, etc… Now do the same.

My main, SW got gutted. I just got on PTS, realised what no longer works, and adjust gear and spec accordingly. Will I be able to take out DPS healers, kiting SH or the new abomination that’s ST magus? Probably not, but then again I never like playing OP meta classes, because I know a balanced game should be rock/paper/scissors to some extent and that my class should not be a win against everything. Boring.

[Hienzwar]

… and only WHs got nerfs. With or without them we still be not welcome by WB leaders.

The entitlement is insane. I mean, Hienz saying that now you can’t get through a guarded poster that has AOE spammed on it.

I'm so sorry you die to stealth, we get it.

My point was with the 10 hits stealth breaks, in test that's less then 2 seconds. We still die regardless, always have.

As for positioning and playing through changes.... Gee didn't consider that.....

You bypassed my question, I'll ask again given the push for group play. Wh or SW for wb?

[rorswar]

You bypassed my question, I'll ask again given the push for group play. Wh or SW for wb?

Pre patch: SW

Post patch: Ironically, after the heavy nerfs to AOE Skirmish, a WE dragon gun WH may perform better, especially when paired with a WW bot.

Even now, I’ve seen dragon gun WHs in organised WBs do incredibly well.

But yeah, let me get my crystal ball and see how things work out in reality once the patch is live. Hence why all the QQ is too early.

[abezverkhiy]

… and only WHs got nerfs. With or without them we still be not welcome by WB leaders.

Maybe, just maybe, like everyone else stealth classes need to use terrain, LoS, learn to hide and use stealth strategically a bit, like everyone else is forced with their mechanic, rather than be treated like some sort of special class.

Mate... every time I see this I want to say "Thanks for telling me what I already khow". You really think you opened America to me???

WHs have already been avoiding every Magi, Zealots, Shamans, Chosens, Blackguards. Do Magi, Shamans or Chosen also play rock-paper-scissors or did devs just turned the god mode on for them?

[rorswar]

WHs have already been avoiding every Magi, Zealots, Shamans, Chosens, Blackguards. Do Magi, Shamans or Chosen also play rock-paper-scissors or did devs just turned the god mode on for them?

“Don’t nerf certain OP parts of my class, as other classes are more OP.”

That’s not balancing, is it?

Show my where I said that other OP classes shouldn’t be balanced?

rDPS healers (and I also got a RR86 BiS DPS AM that needs the nerf bat), especially DPS RPs should be tuned down - a fair bit. SH >>> SW post patch. sT magus will be a monster.

All those should be toned down. But that’s not an excuse for not accepting some nerfs to your class, right?

[abezverkhiy]

WHs have already been avoiding every Magi, Zealots, Shamans, Chosens, Blackguards. Do Magi, Shamans or Chosen also play rock-paper-scissors or did devs just turned the god mode on for them?

Show my where I said that other OP classes shouldn’t be balanced?

What makes you think I am saying you said something you did not say? If you are OK with nerfs - OK, but I am not. End of the story.

[rorswar]

WHs have already been avoiding every Magi, Zealots, Shamans, Chosens, Blackguards. Do Magi, Shamans or Chosen also play rock-paper-scissors or did devs just turned the god mode on for them?

Show my where I said that other OP classes shouldn’t be balanced?

What makes you think I am saying you said something you did not say? If you are OK with nerfs - OK, but I am not. End of the story.

You just said 30s stealth is a QoL issue…

[abezverkhiy]

Show my where I said that other OP classes shouldn’t be balanced?

What makes you think I am saying you said something you did not say? If you are OK with nerfs - OK, but I am not. End of the story.

You and Heinz just said 30s stealth is a QoL issue…

QoL - quality of life. Yes it is. Earlier you asked me if I looked at SW nerfs. I did, but I am not commenting in them. Do you know why? Because my SW is just 24lvl and I am not competent enough to speak on the subject. Are you competent enough or you just think you are?

[rorswar]

What makes you think I am saying you said something you did not say? If you are OK with nerfs - OK, but I am not. End of the story.

You and Heinz just said 30s stealth is a QoL issue…

QoL - quality of life. Yes it is. Earlier you asked me if I looked at SW nerfs. I did, but I am not commenting in them. Do you know why? Because my SW is just 24lvl and I am not competent enough to speak on the subject. Are you competent enough or you just think you are?

74 WE, so yeah I appreciate that even on an undergeared WE 30s stealth is enough.