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Re: [WE/WH] shadow

Posted: Thu Mar 12, 2026 10:10 am
by Soldis
CeeJay89 wrote: Thu Mar 12, 2026 9:23 am
Soldis wrote: Wed Mar 11, 2026 7:03 pm
CeeJay89 wrote: Wed Mar 11, 2026 12:25 pm

Oh, I'm sorry. What did the dangerous DoT healer do to stop you from ignoring them? Or did you willingly engage with them in a 1v1 and lose and now you're mad? If you chose to engage with a solo spec and lost, that's on you. You don't get to choose to engage with WEs and WHs, and even if you're winning, they get a free disengage.

Tanks, WLs, DPS Healers, etc. all have powerful roaming specs that can go around dunking on people in a 1v1 or 1vX. The problem isn't that they're strong, the problem is that while you can choose to ignore them because you can SEE THEM COMING, you can't choose to ignore WE/WH and especially not WE due to the horseshit sticking power. Stealth IS the approach. There is a reason that live didn't give stealth classes a charge, let alone a pounce, because stealth was the gap closer, and they did just fine.
So far, you're the one here who's offended by WE/WH. As a solo player, I'm looking for these battles because they're the only opponents who don't carry pocket heals and guards. As for what you're saying about ignoring dps-heals...this clearly sounds like its not true, especially for range dps-heals and WLs.
Laughable statement. That's fine, enjoy your FOTM class. I'll look forward to your future posts when the devs do (and eventually will) nerf baby's first solo class to an actual reasonable state.
FOTM? Is that wows terminology? I lost the thread of the conversation, just a pointless set of words.

Re: [WE/WH] shadow

Posted: Thu Mar 12, 2026 10:18 am
by Ksekwlothreftis
Soldis wrote: Thu Mar 12, 2026 10:10 am
CeeJay89 wrote: Thu Mar 12, 2026 9:23 am
Soldis wrote: Wed Mar 11, 2026 7:03 pm
So far, you're the one here who's offended by WE/WH. As a solo player, I'm looking for these battles because they're the only opponents who don't carry pocket heals and guards. As for what you're saying about ignoring dps-heals...this clearly sounds like its not true, especially for range dps-heals and WLs.
Laughable statement. That's fine, enjoy your FOTM class. I'll look forward to your future posts when the devs do (and eventually will) nerf baby's first solo class to an actual reasonable state.
FOTM? Is that wows terminology? I lost the thread of the conversation, just a pointless set of words.
FOTM means flavor of the month, an ironic statement considering people have cried about the same stuff for years xD. To be fair, anyone arguing about how "kiteable" DPS healers are isn't worth holding a conversation with anyways so just let people sulk and enjoy.

Re: [WE/WH] shadow

Posted: Thu Mar 12, 2026 10:38 am
by Narfii
Ksekwlothreftis wrote: Thu Mar 12, 2026 10:18 am
Soldis wrote: Thu Mar 12, 2026 10:10 am
CeeJay89 wrote: Thu Mar 12, 2026 9:23 am

Laughable statement. That's fine, enjoy your FOTM class. I'll look forward to your future posts when the devs do (and eventually will) nerf baby's first solo class to an actual reasonable state.
FOTM? Is that wows terminology? I lost the thread of the conversation, just a pointless set of words.
FOTM means flavor of the month, an ironic statement considering people have cried about the same stuff for years xD. To be fair, anyone arguing about how "kiteable" DPS healers are isn't worth holding a conversation with anyways so just let people sulk and enjoy.
Hey kite that guy with 1000 range who can 100-0 you with 3 dots oh also he heals and has a knockback.

Re: [WE/WH] shadow

Posted: Thu Mar 12, 2026 12:15 pm
by Deadpoet
nocturnalguest wrote: Mon Mar 09, 2026 3:52 pm
Alubert wrote: Wed Mar 04, 2026 5:06 pm
If there are more than two WE/WH in the shadows nearby, the others should always be visible, or there should be a test every few seconds with a 50% chance of seeing them.
After all, ‘shadows’ have a certain capacity :)
Very nice idea i be fair. Easily to implement, counters same toxic class stack

But id list it somewhere between 165724823 and 165724824 issues to be adressed. No offense
You'd list this issue between said numbers.
Reality (and sociology) kinda rofls at your listing skills. No offense.

Re: [WE/WH] shadow

Posted: Thu Mar 12, 2026 12:27 pm
by nat3s
Worth noting, FOTM right now is dps RP and def WL for solo roaming.

Re: [WE/WH] shadow

Posted: Thu Mar 12, 2026 2:25 pm
by CeeJay89
Ksekwlothreftis wrote: Thu Mar 12, 2026 10:18 am
Soldis wrote: Thu Mar 12, 2026 10:10 am
CeeJay89 wrote: Thu Mar 12, 2026 9:23 am

Laughable statement. That's fine, enjoy your FOTM class. I'll look forward to your future posts when the devs do (and eventually will) nerf baby's first solo class to an actual reasonable state.
FOTM? Is that wows terminology? I lost the thread of the conversation, just a pointless set of words.
FOTM means flavor of the month, an ironic statement considering people have cried about the same stuff for years xD. To be fair, anyone arguing about how "kiteable" DPS healers are isn't worth holding a conversation with anyways so just let people sulk and enjoy.

"Kiteable" and ignorable are two different things. Literacy is difficult, I know :cry:.

nat3s wrote: Thu Mar 12, 2026 12:27 pm Worth noting, FOTM right now is dps RP and def WL for solo roaming.

Not even close.

Re: [WE/WH] shadow

Posted: Thu Mar 12, 2026 3:42 pm
by Farrul
WE/WH stealth invasion of the server after the MDPS patch went live ( R.I.P player retention for new / casual players being preyed upon like never before).

WH/ Reduce crit tactic on bal from 25% to 5-10%. ( 25% absolution and 5-10% Bal is still a formidable tactic). Numbers will go down.

WE/ No Shadow leap cooldown reset upon stealth ( on a stealth class with the element of surprise advantage, this one is an insane buff, a stealth class should not need a pounce at all let alone a double pounce feature).

Sacrifices rewarded can't stay a 600 absorb/3second tactic, bring it down to reasonable levels fair for a dps class since WE is not a tank class ( not a mdps patch feature but this nerf is long overdue for obvious reasons, a lot of imbalance with WE boils down to this one overtuned tactic and we all know it). Numbers will go down.

(both) Feinted Position - fixed( is it a bug or a feature?). No longer has any effect on Agonizing wounds/Torment. ( 100% armor ignore must come with a real drawback- such as the intended feature of a flank attack).

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The invasion of the Stealth gankers is urgent and derserves attention, since it is clearly toxic to the community and creates a toxic environment in-game with the worst kind of griefing/ganking going on right now. I do not blame players for being angry when someone points it out since players want their characters to be the best possible, but those making these changes should realize when things went too far.

I do not think a dramatic change like proposed in the OP is a good idea, stealth groups and stealth gankers should be allowed to exist as long as they're balanced with their stealth capabilities.

Re: [WE/WH] shadow

Posted: Thu Mar 12, 2026 9:14 pm
by nat3s
CeeJay89 wrote: Thu Mar 12, 2026 2:25 pm
Ksekwlothreftis wrote: Thu Mar 12, 2026 10:18 am
Soldis wrote: Thu Mar 12, 2026 10:10 am
FOTM? Is that wows terminology? I lost the thread of the conversation, just a pointless set of words.
FOTM means flavor of the month, an ironic statement considering people have cried about the same stuff for years xD. To be fair, anyone arguing about how "kiteable" DPS healers are isn't worth holding a conversation with anyways so just let people sulk and enjoy.

"Kiteable" and ignorable are two different things. Literacy is difficult, I know :cry:.

nat3s wrote: Thu Mar 12, 2026 12:27 pm Worth noting, FOTM right now is dps RP and def WL for solo roaming.

Not even close.

Interesting, and what do you think beats a well setup dps RP out of interest?