2X Renown and Crests on Weekends Permanently

[Martok]

So, whats your proposal for improvement?

Randomness. Variety. Something with at least a small degree of unpredictability. Double crest and Renown is fine, but if it always happens according to a preset schedule then the population increases will wax and wane according to that schedule.

I discuss the subject here, starting somewhere around the ten minute mark:


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And here during the second topic segment:



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And the issue Tosh brought up is discussed here during the first segment:



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[kleinbuchstabe]

I don't say the system is perfect, but is working, with a little time investment you don't need to spend any crests on gear once you hit r30 and still can get gear that gives you wards and at least a little bit of usefulness in a group/warband

yeah, obviously we play different games when you say things like "little time invest" and "you dont need to spend any crests on gear". When you hit the 40, you are nothing more like a 2hit victim in this game. In open you dont get a bolster anymore, no need to talk about SCs. Like i said many times, its about motivating players to keep playing the game wehn they hit the 40, wich is not the state of the game right now. "A little bit of usefullness in a group" for the next 6 month doesnt sound motivating and as rewarding gameplay to me. But i dont want to convince you here, you can keep your "everythings fine" point of view. But im sure the game will slowly die without any changes.

[Everdin]

I don't say the system is perfect, but is working, with a little time investment you don't need to spend any crests on gear once you hit r30 and still can get gear that gives you wards and at least a little bit of usefulness in a group/warband

yeah, obviously we play different games when you say things like "little time invest" and "you dont need to spend any crests on gear". When you hit the 40, you are nothing more like a 2hit victim in this game. In open you dont get a bolster anymore, no need to talk about SCs. Like i said many times, its about motivating players to keep playing the game wehn they hit the 40, wich is not the state of the game right now. "A little bit of usefullness in a group" for the next 6 month doesnt sound motivating and as rewarding gameplay to me. But i dont want to convince you here, you can keep your "everythings fine" point of view. But im sure the game will slowly die without any changes.

you can get ruin ->redeye->sentinel->bloodlord, not one crest spend and all t4 wards done, bloodlord is definetly a set where you are not getting stomped to the ground instant. Your proposal is running around with some stuff you get without spending time or crests, speaking of low tier sets or random drops. With THIS you will be a 2hit victim and will take a lot longer to reach a renown where you can get souvereign. Spending the time doing some pve will give you wards and make the way to 80 much more comfortable, and you are not in need of some guys carrying you all the way.

[kleinbuchstabe]

you can get ruin ->redeye->sentinel->bloodlord, not one crest spend and all t4 wards done, bloodlord is definetly a set where you are not getting stomped to the ground instant.

...wich are all PvE sets... Like discussed before: People come here for PvP. For RvR. This is the flagship of RoR. Nobody came here for the fresh designed Quests in PvE, or the interesting group instances... Remember, they even patched out a lot of PvE content! Cause this is not was RoR is about, and actually no one is interested in PvE here....
So, the player reach that fresh lvl 40 point inevitably. To go on with PvP, he has to do PvE now, otherwise he is useless trash... what he feels instantly... what happens? he will obviously loose interest! It can not be the soultion, to force people into PvE, to be able to join PvP again... is that so difficult to understand? Look at server population melting during the last years, that will give you an answer.

Your proposal is running around with some stuff you get without spending time or crests, speaking of low tier sets or random drops.

That is not, and was not my proposal. That is what YOU said would be a consequence, what i disagree btw. If you put words in my mouth that i didnt say, i will stop talking to you, cause I dont got the motivation to clarify what i did say and did not again and again. My proposals were 4 points so far, that i collected from people discussing here. You can find it in my posts here, if you want to.

Spending the time doing some pve will give you wards and make the way to 80 much more comfortable, and you are not in need of some guys carrying you all the way.

yeah, and again. Being more ore less forced, to spend time doing some PvE, in a PvP game (!) , is not a good solutoin, and wont keep players in the game, who came here for pvp.

[Everdin]

you can get ruin ->redeye->sentinel->bloodlord, not one crest spend and all t4 wards done, bloodlord is definetly a set where you are not getting stomped to the ground instant.

...wich are all PvE sets... Like discussed before: People come here for PvP. For RvR. This is the flagship of RoR. Nobody came here for the fresh designed Quests in PvE, or the interesting group instances... Remember, they even patched out a lot of PvE content! Cause this is not was RoR is about, and actually no one is interested in PvE here....
So, the player reach that fresh lvl 40 point inevitably. To go on with PvP, he has to do PvE now, otherwise he is useless trash... what he feels instantly... what happens? he will obviously loose interest! It can not be the soultion, to force people into PvE, to be able to join PvP again... is that so difficult to understand? Look at server population melting during the last years, that will give you an answer.

Your proposal is running around with some stuff you get without spending time or crests, speaking of low tier sets or random drops.

That is not, and was not my proposal. That is what YOU said would be a consequence, what i disagree btw. If you put words in my mouth that i didnt say, i will stop talking to you, cause I dont got the motivation to clarify what i did say and did not again and again. My proposals were 4 points so far, that i collected from people discussing here. You can find it in my posts here, if you want to.

Spending the time doing some pve will give you wards and make the way to 80 much more comfortable, and you are not in need of some guys carrying you all the way.

yeah, and again. Being more ore less forced, to spend time doing some PvE, in a PvP game (!) , is not a good solutoin, and wont keep players in the game, who came here for pvp.

Your proposal of removing wards will result exactly in this situations, cause people are lazy, and this will result in a lot of people need to be carried through the game, what sucks.

Yes this is a pvp game, but pve is part of it, I also could say this is a role play game, and as such, steady progress is part of the game. Nobody needs to go through pve, but is is possible to shorten the way to BiS gear, otherwise you are free to buy pvp gear, everybody like he wants

[kleinbuchstabe]

Your proposal of removing wards will result exactly in this situations, cause people are lazy, and this will result in a lot of people need to be carried through the game, what sucks.

Its just one of the proposals. And remember, there was no ward in the past, and still people bought their gear and didnt run around in green sets. Like i said, it was only implemented to force people to do the fortress back in the days, wich leaded to city, and nobody wanted to do it. And that players would only wear green stuff is not logical, because you get your golden bags anyways! so when you get your Vanq set anyways by participating on rvr, why should anyone wear green and blue parts?
And when crest cost for gear is cheaper (other proposal), and you get more crests (other proposal), why should you not buy the sets step by step? there would be no need anymore to safe crests for endgear, no matter what, like the situation is right now. There would be a fluid progress from set to set, without grinding endlessly.

Yes this is a pvp game, but pve is part of it, I also could say this is a role play game, and as such, steady progress is part of the game. Nobody needs to go through pve, but is is possible to shorten the way to BiS gear, otherwise you are free to buy pvp gear, everybody like he wants

The flagship of RoR is PvP. No matter what you could say also. It is what it is, and what people are coming for when they join.
And its a different thing, if the game got an optional PvE part, or if players are more or less forced to do PvE, for being able to play PvP sucessfully. What you are saying is like: Hey, nobody is forced here, they can choose to play PvP without fun and getting farmed chanceless, its their own coice! well, yes, but they also got the choice to quit the game, what they prefer instead. Thats not really a good choice ...

[Everdin]

Your proposal of removing wards will result exactly in this situations, cause people are lazy, and this will result in a lot of people need to be carried through the game, what sucks.

Its just one of the proposals. And remember, there was no ward in the past, and still people bought their gear and didnt run around in green sets. Like i said, it was only implemented to force people to do the fortress back in the days, wich leaded to city, and nobody wanted to do it. And that players would only wear green stuff is not logical, because you get your golden bags anyways! so when you get your Vanq set anyways by participating on rvr, why should anyone wear green and blue parts?
And when crest cost for gear is cheaper (other proposal), and you get more crests (other proposal), why should you not buy the sets step by step? there would be no need anymore to safe crests for endgear, no matter what, like the situation is right now. There would be a fluid progress from set to set, without grinding endlessly.

Yes this is a pvp game, but pve is part of it, I also could say this is a role play game, and as such, steady progress is part of the game. Nobody needs to go through pve, but is is possible to shorten the way to BiS gear, otherwise you are free to buy pvp gear, everybody like he wants

The flagship of RoR is PvP. No matter what you could say also. It is what it is, and what people are coming for when they join.
And its a different thing, if the game got an optional PvE part, or if players are more or less forced to do PvE, for being able to play PvP sucessfully. What you are saying is like: Hey, nobody is forced here, they can choose to play PvP without fun and getting farmed chanceless, its their own coice! well, yes, but they also got the choice to quit the game, what they prefer instead. Thats not really a good choice ...

people did not spare crests cause there were no reason to spare vanquisher crests for souvereign set and if they get golden bags anyways there is no need to remove wards. Nothing to say against cheaper gear and more crests, but people should always try to be as good equipt as possible to not beeing a burden to others.

People are not forced to do anything, they have the choice, and not the choice between pve or no gear but pve and current gear, wich is totaly fine for a mmorpg, there is no need to do any pvp or no need to do any pve to get what you want.

[Nameless]

all 40s sets till invader should get lower crests and lower some rr req. And give gear from blue bags to gold. Cos winning gold bags /esp from fort/ is not something that you could count to progress esp being far from bis. Make invader 2 pieces from from kills at forts but with some decent drop rate.

Just make lower rr sets easy to buy by lowering price cos atm noone ever use conq or invader.

[Toshutkidup]

Your proposal of removing wards will result exactly in this situations, cause people are lazy, and this will result in a lot of people need to be carried through the game, what sucks.

Its just one of the proposals. And remember, there was no ward in the past, and still people bought their gear and didnt run around in green sets. Like i said, it was only implemented to force people to do the fortress back in the days, wich leaded to city, and nobody wanted to do it. And that players would only wear green stuff is not logical, because you get your golden bags anyways! so when you get your Vanq set anyways by participating on rvr, why should anyone wear green and blue parts?
And when crest cost for gear is cheaper (other proposal), and you get more crests (other proposal), why should you not buy the sets step by step? there would be no need anymore to safe crests for endgear, no matter what, like the situation is right now. There would be a fluid progress from set to set, without grinding endlessly.

Yes this is a pvp game, but pve is part of it, I also could say this is a role play game, and as such, steady progress is part of the game. Nobody needs to go through pve, but is is possible to shorten the way to BiS gear, otherwise you are free to buy pvp gear, everybody like he wants

The flagship of RoR is PvP. No matter what you could say also. It is what it is, and what people are coming for when they join.
And its a different thing, if the game got an optional PvE part, or if players are more or less forced to do PvE, for being able to play PvP sucessfully. What you are saying is like: Hey, nobody is forced here, they can choose to play PvP without fun and getting farmed chanceless, its their own coice! well, yes, but they also got the choice to quit the game, what they prefer instead. Thats not really a good choice ...

However some players like me do choose to avoid pve and choose to just pvp. We are aware of taking longer / harder but choose that. Game has options.

[kleinbuchstabe]

It seems that you cant understand, that this "choice" is not a motivating and rewarding system, and lead people to quit the game. Having fun until 40, fun stops, quit game. Thats what happens, when people realize the eternity of renown and crest grind for gear. But its fine for you, i got it. no more questions. rip