Return of Reckoning

Goriy wrote: ↑Sun Apr 02, 2023 9:34 am You can extend the range of the pull from 65ft up to 80ft with gear. lul what? what gear extends the range? show me I want to use it.

You know what healers and ranged dps do have? a Silence and KDs. Lots of ways to handle it.

Who is defending it? Just giving ya tips on how to deal with it friend.

No seriously what gear extends it? I have every set in the game and I think you are sorely mistaken or someone misled you.

Nameless wrote: ↑Sun Apr 02, 2023 9:42 am BIS am with eov dont have any tool to stop it.

And the other difference from live is that at war for 10 renown points you got resolute defence which we miss on ror. Not to mention tanks full sov ani cc spell.
Basically on ror u got pulls buffed, bugged and remove most reliable conters. So you made positioning, which is kinda main defence tool for healers and rdps on orders side, kinda obsolete

Fenris78 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 02, 2023 9:57 am Add to that Mara pull doesnt do damage, so you cannot even reliably get the "auto-targeting", or when it triggers it's already too late to react.
So even for classes with a ranged silence or interrupt, unless you can instantly turn the view and click on the mara that is pulling you in 2 seconds timeframe, and not in the gcd to use your interrupt, wich also need to be instant without travel time, while running away, basically you cannot interrupt the pull.

Mara pull before was balanced, because rdps and healers could defend from it. Okay, disruptable meant healers got very resilient against this skill.

Make it a ranged skill that can be defended with dodge ; pretty much everyone is equal regarding initiative score (wich will count as a tiny fraction of % dodge chances anyway, but about the same for everyone saving tanks under HtL), and it will actually make dodge a bit more useful for Order, while letting a small chance to healers and rdps to defend this ability.

This change could even be the right counterpart to GtdC, wich would make the 3 Destruction pulls on the 3 different avoidances : parry against Choppa, dodge against Mara, disrupt against Magus pull.

Goriy wrote: ↑Sun Apr 02, 2023 10:12 am

Fenris78 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 02, 2023 9:57 am Add to that Mara pull doesnt do damage, so you cannot even reliably get the "auto-targeting", or when it triggers it's already too late to react.
So even for classes with a ranged silence or interrupt, unless you can instantly turn the view and click on the mara that is pulling you in 2 seconds timeframe, and not in the gcd to use your interrupt, wich also need to be instant without travel time, while running away, basically you cannot interrupt the pull.

Mara pull before was balanced, because rdps and healers could defend from it. Okay, disruptable meant healers got very resilient against this skill.

Make it a ranged skill that can be defended with dodge ; pretty much everyone is equal regarding initiative score (wich will count as a tiny fraction of % dodge chances anyway, but about the same for everyone saving tanks under HtL), and it will actually make dodge a bit more useful for Order, while letting a small chance to healers and rdps to defend this ability.

This change could even be the right counterpart to GtdC, wich would make the 3 Destruction pulls on the 3 different avoidances : parry against Choppa, dodge against Mara, disrupt against Magus pull.

Healers have all the advantages in this game .. multiple detaunts .. endless AP .. 150ft heals .. if you were running away at the caboose you are prolly gonna get pulled and eliminated. I have been pulled by WLs into blobs and destroyed. Why did I get pulled? Because I was somewhere I shouldn't have been.

Lets really turn this thread into a degen one. If you think its not fair that a player cant defend against pull why is it ok for Rampage to exist in the game? 1 skill makes a tank not do his job - defend. Pulls are part of the game just like Rampage is part of the game. Love it or Hate it its just the way this game is

~ Pull Ya Later

heybaws wrote: ↑Sun Apr 02, 2023 10:23 am

Goriy wrote: ↑Sun Apr 02, 2023 10:12 am

Fenris78 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 02, 2023 9:57 am Add to that Mara pull doesnt do damage, so you cannot even reliably get the "auto-targeting", or when it triggers it's already too late to react.
So even for classes with a ranged silence or interrupt, unless you can instantly turn the view and click on the mara that is pulling you in 2 seconds timeframe, and not in the gcd to use your interrupt, wich also need to be instant without travel time, while running away, basically you cannot interrupt the pull.

Mara pull before was balanced, because rdps and healers could defend from it. Okay, disruptable meant healers got very resilient against this skill.

Make it a ranged skill that can be defended with dodge ; pretty much everyone is equal regarding initiative score (wich will count as a tiny fraction of % dodge chances anyway, but about the same for everyone saving tanks under HtL), and it will actually make dodge a bit more useful for Order, while letting a small chance to healers and rdps to defend this ability.

This change could even be the right counterpart to GtdC, wich would make the 3 Destruction pulls on the 3 different avoidances : parry against Choppa, dodge against Mara, disrupt against Magus pull.

Healers have all the advantages in this game .. multiple detaunts .. endless AP .. 150ft heals .. if you were running away at the caboose you are prolly gonna get pulled and eliminated. I have been pulled by WLs into blobs and destroyed. Why did I get pulled? Because I was somewhere I shouldn't have been.

Lets really turn this thread into a degen one. If you think its not fair that a player cant defend against pull why is it ok for Rampage to exist in the game? 1 skill makes a tank not do his job - defend. Pulls are part of the game just like Rampage is part of the game. Love it or Hate it its just the way this game is

~ Pull Ya Later

wl pull has a range check, pets need to travel to target first, which is already an issue since pathing changes maded it almost impossible to pet run in a straight line, player must use movespeed tactic because pet will never catch it otherwise, and you need to run a frenzy build to make pet imune to CC. There is a lot of "IF's" to make wl pull succesfull. comparing it to mara is just dishonest

heybaws wrote: ↑Sun Apr 02, 2023 10:23 am

Goriy wrote: ↑Sun Apr 02, 2023 10:12 am

Fenris78 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 02, 2023 9:57 am Add to that Mara pull doesnt do damage, so you cannot even reliably get the "auto-targeting", or when it triggers it's already too late to react.
So even for classes with a ranged silence or interrupt, unless you can instantly turn the view and click on the mara that is pulling you in 2 seconds timeframe, and not in the gcd to use your interrupt, wich also need to be instant without travel time, while running away, basically you cannot interrupt the pull.

Mara pull before was balanced, because rdps and healers could defend from it. Okay, disruptable meant healers got very resilient against this skill.

Make it a ranged skill that can be defended with dodge ; pretty much everyone is equal regarding initiative score (wich will count as a tiny fraction of % dodge chances anyway, but about the same for everyone saving tanks under HtL), and it will actually make dodge a bit more useful for Order, while letting a small chance to healers and rdps to defend this ability.

This change could even be the right counterpart to GtdC, wich would make the 3 Destruction pulls on the 3 different avoidances : parry against Choppa, dodge against Mara, disrupt against Magus pull.

Healers have all the advantages in this game .. multiple detaunts .. endless AP .. 150ft heals .. if you were running away at the caboose you are prolly gonna get pulled and eliminated. I have been pulled by WLs into blobs and destroyed. Why did I get pulled? Because I was somewhere I shouldn't have been.

Lets really turn this thread into a degen one. If you think its not fair that a player cant defend against pull why is it ok for Rampage to exist in the game? 1 skill makes a tank not do his job - defend. Pulls are part of the game just like Rampage is part of the game. Love it or Hate it its just the way this game is

~ Pull Ya Later

wl pull has a range check, pets need to travel to target first, which is already an issue since pathing changes maded it almost impossible to pet run in a straight line, player must use movespeed tactic because pet will never catch it otherwise, and you need to run a frenzy build to make pet imune to CC. There is a lot of "IF's" to make wl pull succesfull. comparing it to mara is just dishonest

Goriy wrote: ↑Sun Apr 02, 2023 10:12 am

Fenris78 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 02, 2023 9:57 am Add to that Mara pull doesnt do damage, so you cannot even reliably get the "auto-targeting", or when it triggers it's already too late to react.
So even for classes with a ranged silence or interrupt, unless you can instantly turn the view and click on the mara that is pulling you in 2 seconds timeframe, and not in the gcd to use your interrupt, wich also need to be instant without travel time, while running away, basically you cannot interrupt the pull.

Mara pull before was balanced, because rdps and healers could defend from it. Okay, disruptable meant healers got very resilient against this skill.

Make it a ranged skill that can be defended with dodge ; pretty much everyone is equal regarding initiative score (wich will count as a tiny fraction of % dodge chances anyway, but about the same for everyone saving tanks under HtL), and it will actually make dodge a bit more useful for Order, while letting a small chance to healers and rdps to defend this ability.

This change could even be the right counterpart to GtdC, wich would make the 3 Destruction pulls on the 3 different avoidances : parry against Choppa, dodge against Mara, disrupt against Magus pull.

Healers have all the advantages in this game .. multiple detaunts .. endless AP .. 150ft heals .. if you were running away at the caboose you are prolly gonna get pulled and eliminated. I have been pulled by WLs into blobs and destroyed. Why did I get pulled? Because I was somewhere I shouldn't have been.

Lets really turn this thread into a degen one. If you think its not fair that a player cant defend against pull why is it ok for Rampage to exist in the game? 1 skill makes a tank not do his job - defend. Pulls are part of the game just like Rampage is part of the game. Love it or Hate it its just the way this game is

~ Pull Ya Later

chovudal wrote: ↑Sun Apr 02, 2023 6:14 pm

Goriy wrote: ↑Sun Apr 02, 2023 10:12 am

Fenris78 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 02, 2023 9:57 am Add to that Mara pull doesnt do damage, so you cannot even reliably get the "auto-targeting", or when it triggers it's already too late to react.
So even for classes with a ranged silence or interrupt, unless you can instantly turn the view and click on the mara that is pulling you in 2 seconds timeframe, and not in the gcd to use your interrupt, wich also need to be instant without travel time, while running away, basically you cannot interrupt the pull.

Mara pull before was balanced, because rdps and healers could defend from it. Okay, disruptable meant healers got very resilient against this skill.

Make it a ranged skill that can be defended with dodge ; pretty much everyone is equal regarding initiative score (wich will count as a tiny fraction of % dodge chances anyway, but about the same for everyone saving tanks under HtL), and it will actually make dodge a bit more useful for Order, while letting a small chance to healers and rdps to defend this ability.

This change could even be the right counterpart to GtdC, wich would make the 3 Destruction pulls on the 3 different avoidances : parry against Choppa, dodge against Mara, disrupt against Magus pull.

Healers have all the advantages in this game .. multiple detaunts .. endless AP .. 150ft heals .. if you were running away at the caboose you are prolly gonna get pulled and eliminated. I have been pulled by WLs into blobs and destroyed. Why did I get pulled? Because I was somewhere I shouldn't have been.

Lets really turn this thread into a degen one. If you think its not fair that a player cant defend against pull why is it ok for Rampage to exist in the game? 1 skill makes a tank not do his job - defend. Pulls are part of the game just like Rampage is part of the game. Love it or Hate it its just the way this game is

~ Pull Ya Later

Because Rampage is an Enchantment ... disenchant!
Pull? Nearly Undefendable ? That was never intended, like it is at the moment