Balance ever going to be addressed?

[Mez]

Sorcs are stronger than BW's right now, so not sure what your saying.

On LIVE detonate was doing 5x the damage coefficient it was allegedly supposed to, but that's not the case here. BW's have no disabling affect, fire breath is on a 10 second cooldown where sorcs can spam icy spikes through walls, and sorcs have a 65 foot frontal cone AOE that goes through walls, they have a 100 foot ranged disarm, 100 foot snare, where a BW has none, a resist buff that stacks with shaman's resists, 10% damage buff if needed...

..and how the hell are you stating BW's are an example of imbalance? If you mean they are weaker than maybe your post makes sense. Or possibly you are just another bad from LIVE that loves to cry in forums and congest a privately free emulator with un-needed threads that say "I died in RvR".

[Renork]

I remember BW's when the game was first released....detonate was insane lol

[Jaycub]

I don't think we should delude ourselves into thinking that balance is just an Order vs Destro thing. Classes of the same archetype wan't to be "competitive" within their own realms, and making balance changes to certain classes to mirror something that happens on the opposite realm can have a negative effect for them.

Let's say for instance to mirror the SW heal debuff, the mara is given access to deadly clutch. This one change will propel mara far and away as the best MDPS on destro, putting WE's and Choppas in a bad spot, because why would you want to play them over a mara for a MDPS position?

If balance changes do come to compensate realm balance in whatever sub t4 tier we find ourselves in, then it will have to be an incredibly well thought out complete list of changes that effect all classes so that none are left obsolete. For instance in the current meta WH/WE are quite weak, yet because they have the strongest and most reliable outgoing heal debuff that are not completely trash, but of course high level caps and masteries will change that.

[TenTonHammer]

I'm aware that there are those who have vested interests in opposing ANY kind of balance.

What I would like to make clear, though, is that such people are not going to win here.
While the process will not start any time soon, I feel it's better to make this clear now.

As a player whose “vested interest” class is in no way imbalanced and therefore needs no changes; this makes me very happy

[Jaycub]

Sorcs are stronger than BW's right now, so not sure what your saying.

On LIVE detonate was doing 5x the damage coefficient it was allegedly supposed to, but that's not the case here. BW's have no disabling affect, fire breath is on a 10 second cooldown where sorcs can spam icy spikes through walls, and sorcs have a 65 foot frontal cone AOE that goes through walls, they have a 100 foot ranged disarm, 100 foot snare, where a BW has none, a resist buff that stacks with shaman's resists, 10% damage buff if needed...

..and how the hell are you stating BW's are an example of imbalance? If you mean they are weaker than maybe your post makes sense. Or possibly you are just another bad from LIVE that loves to cry in forums and congest a privately free emulator with un-needed threads that say "I died in RvR".

BW has a lot of stuff that sorc doesn't have

>cauterize
>Pyroclastic Surge
>detonate
>armor buff w/ setback resistance
>AP drain

I'm not saying BW is better than sorc, but they both essentially the same but slightly better when found in different situations. This kind of bias towards one side is what is going to get the discussion about balance going nowhere.

[Mez]

I play both BW and Sorc and nothing you listed above touches the sorc's abilities right now. My point was the OP is posting a tear thread. Thread should be closed for incompetence or is a troll thread.

[Mez]

This kind of bias towards one side is what is going to get the discussion about balance going nowhere.

Jaycub, this thread going nowhere is where it was born to go. You have no power over balance or anyone in these forums. Moving it along, AT ALL, implicity yourself included, is the only mistake in this thread.

[Jaycub]

This kind of bias towards one side is what is going to get the discussion about balance going nowhere.

Jaycub, this thread going nowhere is where it was born to go. You have no power over balance or anyone in these forums. Moving it along, AT ALL, implicity yourself included, is the only mistake in this thread.

If that was true Az would of just nuked/locked the thread instead of taking the time to delete posts and try to make this thread somewhat better.

And you are gonna have to do a better than... "...nothing you listed above touches the sorc's abilities right now." That's not an argument.

[Mez]

Sorry, it's all crap. I play Vast the BW, and Mez the sorc. Almost equal time. None of those abilities on BW are of any advantage on a level that puts the class near what the sorc can do. All you did was list what the sorc doesn't have, and try to sell it as possibly an advantage in some situations. How about in no situation. Sure cauterize may remove a well timed snare and save me, but it's not winning a scenario. A 1 death saved, every 5 scenarios, and I'm stating cauterize is probably the best of the stuff you listed, it doesn't even begin to touch snare, disarm, spammable Aoe Dots, 65 foot cone aoe, 10% damage. Those are abilities I feel and keep furmost in my mind when playing my sorc. The very differences on the sorc, are what I am looking to exploit wins with. That means it's favorable.

Resists and Armor buff are arguable, but on Vast my BW, if a melee gets on me, I just detaunt. The armor buff is also hit eventually but I don't think it's ever saved my life. It gives small relief. The Resist buff I like more because I know when I will be receiving AOE damage from a bright wizard, or corp damage from grenades etc. I also know when a DPS archmage is going to rofl dot me before it happens. I almost never have any interest in firing my armor buff on my BW for a squig herder.

[Jaycub]

You do get burning iron at 20? And pyroclastic surge I know for sure. Those combined can put a lot of pressure on a healer, much more than a sorc will do w/ just his extra 10% damage debuff. And cauterize is used for more than just removing snares...