Sorc/BW Time for Escape

[Caduceus]

While slayers can absolutely reck a sorc, they have the most limmted chasing tools and a sorc can trade 1for1 in Chase vs Escape tools vs slayers, even in some situations a flee + ap pot or focusmind on top will be enough to stop two charging slayers in reaching a sorc, and it can go back to freecasting leaving it up to a Tank peel vs Tank setup situation in teameffort of catching and pinning the sorc down.

I don't think Sorcs are trading 1-for-1.

Every class has access to Flee + AP pot, and it is as much a chase tool as it is an escape tool. It also dumps morale, which is very risky when your only escape from being caught is M2 Focused Mind.

And that is essentially the problem. A complete reliance on either flee or using morale in order to escape. whereas every other class has access to some form of ranged CC to help them deal with a chaser.

[Bozzax]

~10% less burst damage traded (5% with knight) for…

stronger group procs
Higher pressure kiting
Hdebuff
INSTA SNARE
Self clns
M3 full clns (M2 is great tho)
Rkd (1s disarm ok by all means)

But this like having two weak kids argue who is boss

Data from 2-3 days is very weak for analysis

stronger group procs limiting you from having a good spec yourself
Higher pressure kiting
Hdebuff true but high cd, doesnt use class mechanic either
INSTA SNARE true but only for 1 sec if applied - not enough to escape at all
Self clns
M3 full clns (M2 is great tho) only affects magus or sorc squig is for example ailment...
Rkd (1s disarm ok by all means) would you trade cc immunity for 3 sec kd for nothing? For smallscale fights this is very very niche

Just pointing out there are gains made from having 5-10% lower timestamp. A well placed rkd or / hdebuff has equal killing power imo

[Atropik]

Leaderboards say more about the player than the class.

This is true, if you play tetris

[Atropik]

INSTA SNARE true but only for 1 sec if applied - not enough to escape at all

For 3 seconds

Cauterize, Funnel power, FBB, Flashfire and Burnthrough - things that I envy.

[Naelar]

INSTA SNARE true but only for 1 sec if applied - not enough to escape at all

For 3 seconds

Cauterize, Funnel power, FBB, Flashfire and Burnthrough - things that I envy.

You forgot M4s that don't absolutely suck.

[CountTalabecland]

Leaderboards say more about the player than the class.

This is true, if you play tetris

In that case I guess Squig Herder is getting the nerf bat again, sorry for teefz. Who knew it was the class carrying him the whole time and not the other way around?

Don't do well in ranked or you'll get your class nerfed.

[Atropik]

In that case I guess Squig Herder is getting the nerf bat again, sorry for teefz. Who knew it was the class carrying him the whole time and not the other way around?

Don't do well in ranked or you'll get your class nerfed.

Teefz and some others have, lets say, the strategy of how to queue

But since you play the game on a decent level of above average, this is you class that starts carrying. You can be extraordinary choppa, but as a slayer your mmr would be higher, and you can be top1 ranked BW with 169 mmr. And there is no way BW is any good in ranked.

[Ninjagon]

Bah! My BW can rock in ranked.
But only if I play knight or WP .-)

[Spectre013]

Honestly i believe giving sorc an additional or improved snare is useless: WH still oneshot you at inc due to stun and WL is basically immune to snare. more than snares we need either speed boost or utility tool. CC are worthles due to DR

[Bozzax]

Ranged snare imo on stealth is one of the least thought through changes if the game. Stealthers already had the ini from stealth opening / KD and nowdays they been awarded a second stealth/charge/LOS breaker/2 free career points (on top of ranged snare). Who approved this on a 5pts ability … Just wow!

(Note Also It is annoyingly impossible to land a 2s cast snare on a class that gets a insta LOS break “charge”. Provided you managed to survive drop and break loose)

(Extra range added to turret dps. 2 more pounce added to the game).

It amazingly super surprising that we now have this circle jerk balance thread. Super surprising really.