Re: [Ironbreaker] The punt?
Posted: Wed Nov 10, 2021 6:37 am
Dude how long did u play that ib.till u was rdy for the thread , 2 weeks ?
hope u dont use AE punt on IB
destro in chat detectedTARDIONm wrote: Thu Oct 28, 2021 9:03 pm lol , core point , IB useless because punt IB == punt BG with 60+ hate // my point - ok , IB punt is lower , but IB have buffs on parry and crit and tactic for reduce control time for example , and BG dont have this buffs ... and its strong buffs, how long range BGs punt /// this classes not need changes
lol , i have IB , go away /// noname detectedbtbw2009 wrote: Thu Nov 11, 2021 6:13 pmdestro in chat detectedTARDIONm wrote: Thu Oct 28, 2021 9:03 pm lol , core point , IB useless because punt IB == punt BG with 60+ hate // my point - ok , IB punt is lower , but IB have buffs on parry and crit and tactic for reduce control time for example , and BG dont have this buffs ... and its strong buffs, how long range BGs punt /// this classes not need changes
kiss ur BG and leave topic about IB
It is not a bad kick compared to BO who has to sacrifice point and tacticslot to a very mediocre kick. The aoe kick is useless majority of fights.nonfactor wrote: Tue Jun 08, 2021 1:55 pm Punt/knockback is the most essential kill-securing tool in smallscale pvp; be it scenarios, 6v6, rankeds or small-man roaming. After playing BG, Chosen/Kotbs I could not fail to notice that IBs punt is extremely weak, the weakest single target punt in the game and it feels bad. Even if I preslow a target and then punt, the tank can come back after 1-2s. Ironbreaker is the tank whose default singlet target punt does not benefit from using 2h (Kotbs/chosen and BG get cooldown on their punts reduced by 10s and while I KNOW that IB's punt has 10s cooldown by default the range is tiny). What is even funnier that all of those punts give 30s immunity, even the super long bg punt.
This is not a proposal, my question is: why is not one complaining about it yet? On top of that, Ironbreaker does not make up in utility nor damage to make up for the lack of good punt. Sure, the class has 10% crit buff, 25% parry buff but I feel like IB is only there to "complete" KOTBS. I am aware that some people are not interested in smallscale but it is not like ironbreaker is a must-have orvr tank, especially after Whispering Wind buff.
I am very curious what IB mains have to say about this.
It is not a mid range punt. It is the low range punt.kirraha wrote: Thu Nov 11, 2021 10:05 pmIt is not a bad kick compared to BO who has to sacrifice point and tacticslot to a very mediocre kick. The aoe kick is useless majority of fights.nonfactor wrote: Tue Jun 08, 2021 1:55 pm Punt/knockback is the most essential kill-securing tool in smallscale pvp; be it scenarios, 6v6, rankeds or small-man roaming. After playing BG, Chosen/Kotbs I could not fail to notice that IBs punt is extremely weak, the weakest single target punt in the game and it feels bad. Even if I preslow a target and then punt, the tank can come back after 1-2s. Ironbreaker is the tank whose default singlet target punt does not benefit from using 2h (Kotbs/chosen and BG get cooldown on their punts reduced by 10s and while I KNOW that IB's punt has 10s cooldown by default the range is tiny). What is even funnier that all of those punts give 30s immunity, even the super long bg punt.
This is not a proposal, my question is: why is not one complaining about it yet? On top of that, Ironbreaker does not make up in utility nor damage to make up for the lack of good punt. Sure, the class has 10% crit buff, 25% parry buff but I feel like IB is only there to "complete" KOTBS. I am aware that some people are not interested in smallscale but it is not like ironbreaker is a must-have orvr tank, especially after Whispering Wind buff.
I am very curious what IB mains have to say about this.
Sm st kick is bad for the class since it requires block, where sm imo has low blockrate. I like it though since its a low amount of points required for it in middle tree and no tactic is required as for Bo. If it had been on parry it would been more intresting on sm.
Ib is very viable. The kick is midrange, its fine imo. Ofc cant compete with kotbs and chksen but they must sacrifice a tacticslot for the useful st kick.
Ib has loads of tools, ap, good aoesnare, buffs etc etc.
I main tank. I play all tank classes and only Ib aint top tier. It is an def ok tank. Imo, bo st kick should be lowere in mid tree, not be on almost top.
I pretty much agree that BO st kick is a low range kick. IB, sm not as much. Its still a better kick than no kick but very frustrating to always have to wait for parry on IB which is better than SM who has to get a block where sm is quite low on block compared to othersKragg wrote: Thu Dec 23, 2021 12:19 pmIt is not a mid range punt. It is the low range punt.kirraha wrote: Thu Nov 11, 2021 10:05 pmIt is not a bad kick compared to BO who has to sacrifice point and tacticslot to a very mediocre kick. The aoe kick is useless majority of fights.nonfactor wrote: Tue Jun 08, 2021 1:55 pm Punt/knockback is the most essential kill-securing tool in smallscale pvp; be it scenarios, 6v6, rankeds or small-man roaming. After playing BG, Chosen/Kotbs I could not fail to notice that IBs punt is extremely weak, the weakest single target punt in the game and it feels bad. Even if I preslow a target and then punt, the tank can come back after 1-2s. Ironbreaker is the tank whose default singlet target punt does not benefit from using 2h (Kotbs/chosen and BG get cooldown on their punts reduced by 10s and while I KNOW that IB's punt has 10s cooldown by default the range is tiny). What is even funnier that all of those punts give 30s immunity, even the super long bg punt.
This is not a proposal, my question is: why is not one complaining about it yet? On top of that, Ironbreaker does not make up in utility nor damage to make up for the lack of good punt. Sure, the class has 10% crit buff, 25% parry buff but I feel like IB is only there to "complete" KOTBS. I am aware that some people are not interested in smallscale but it is not like ironbreaker is a must-have orvr tank, especially after Whispering Wind buff.
I am very curious what IB mains have to say about this.
Sm st kick is bad for the class since it requires block, where sm imo has low blockrate. I like it though since its a low amount of points required for it in middle tree and no tactic is required as for Bo. If it had been on parry it would been more intresting on sm.
Ib is very viable. The kick is midrange, its fine imo. Ofc cant compete with kotbs and chksen but they must sacrifice a tacticslot for the useful st kick.
Ib has loads of tools, ap, good aoesnare, buffs etc etc.
I main tank. I play all tank classes and only Ib aint top tier. It is an def ok tank. Imo, bo st kick should be lowere in mid tree, not be on almost top.
Well, maybe your "premade" team shoulds start DPSing the target faster and not wait til the tank you punted touch down on the ground. The time he is in the air counts too as long as he's further than 30 feet away from the guarded target.nonfactor wrote: Tue Jun 08, 2021 1:55 pm Punt/knockback is the most essential kill-securing tool in smallscale pvp; be it scenarios, 6v6, rankeds or small-man roaming. After playing BG, Chosen/Kotbs I could not fail to notice that IBs punt is extremely weak, the weakest single target punt in the game and it feels bad. Even if I preslow a target and then punt, the tank can come back after 1-2s. Ironbreaker is the tank whose default singlet target punt does not benefit from using 2h (Kotbs/chosen and BG get cooldown on their punts reduced by 10s and while I KNOW that IB's punt has 10s cooldown by default the range is tiny). What is even funnier that all of those punts give 30s immunity, even the super long bg punt.
This is not a proposal, my question is: why is not one complaining about it yet? On top of that, Ironbreaker does not make up in utility nor damage to make up for the lack of good punt. Sure, the class has 10% crit buff, 25% parry buff but I feel like IB is only there to "complete" KOTBS. I am aware that some people are not interested in smallscale but it is not like ironbreaker is a must-have orvr tank, especially after Whispering Wind buff.
I am very curious what IB mains have to say about this.