Aoe spam

[Telen]

I put out 80k of single target damage the other day to focused targets and still only got 2 kills due to 4 doks spamming group heals.

There was a reason when the noxp book was added that 20 was not used as a lvl cap for a tier. You cannot have all healers capped to group heal lvl when there is a lack of heal debuffs. This was done at the time when mythic had good devs for once and they were smart enough to see that issue. You cannot gheal through a heal debuff you have to cleanse or st heal. When there is no debuff multiple healers can just gheal though.

[Sulorie]

At least group heal works, while single target heal without an UI in SC is a pain. ^^
In a T2 with levelcaps like on live you would have had heal debuffs.

its not the level cap its that azreal hasnt finished all the mastery abilites yet so if he raised cap to 21 some classes would have had mastery abilites but not others, which in retro spect is kinda funny cause some classes can get tactic slot abilites that are pretty good for t2 like maras slotting brut str increase with brute force to soft cap str or KOTBS slotting cordintion to get ez runefang procs

The fact is, most classes get specable healdebuff by rank 25/26, not earlier. Healers get a willpower tactic as well. Not less useful than a str tactic.

The previous tier brackets were pretty much balanced. The current lvlcap is only because of non-working abilities/tactics.

[Telen]

Learn To Play instead.
1- call out targets
2- assist by gang banging said target
3- kill target fast by out dps'ing the heals
4- rinse and repeat....

end of problem of no one dying

There is absolutely no way that a pre with multiple healers and at least 1 tank should ever have anyone die if you dont have a heal debuff on the focused target. The only way is if you have a concerted morale dump that would require voicecom timing.

So thats just alienated 95% of the players.

Heal debuffs reduce the effectiveness of healers the same way tanks reduce the effectiveness of dps. By half. At 20 you have a situation in balance where healers have far more effectiveness (less counters) than any archetype at any other point in the game. All this means is you create a situation when most healers wins. More so than usual.

[Tesq]

i seriusly see more the aoe damage like an issue, in Orvr these day order show a tons of aoe damage.

@luth i think engi/magus stag are undefiatble cos aza asked once if they were undefitable and none answered for lack of knowledge.
If it was dodgeable/disruptable a 45-50% chance to dodge/disrupt would have work at least 1 time.

[Telen]

i seriusly see more the aoe damage like an issue, in Orvr these day order show a tons of aoe damage.

@luth i think engi/magus stag are undefiatble cos aza asked once if they were undefitable and none answered for lack of knowledge.
If it was dodgeable/disruptable a 45-50% chance to dodge/disrupt would have work at least 1 time.

As there is no heal debuff to incentive single target damage then aoe pressure becomes the default tactic. Stack aoe in an ap race against the healers that the aoe dps will always win with no healer ap proc. Tanks cant guard everyone to help the healers ap. With guard present and no heal debuffs aoe will always win.

[Luth]

I don't remember if the staggers were avoidable, but my knowledge is that every (normal ability) CC that has a damage component is not applied if the damage was avoided (but in that case you don't get any immunities as well ofc).

[Kaitanaroyr]

Can burst down healers without a heal debuff just need stronger dps tbh if u have enough whs or Wes ain't no amount of guard gonna keep them up

[wender88]

I put out 80k of single target damage the other day to focused targets and still only got 2 kills due to 4 doks spamming group heals.

There was a reason when the noxp book was added that 20 was not used as a lvl cap for a tier. You cannot have all healers capped to group heal lvl when there is a lack of heal debuffs. This was done at the time when mythic had good devs for once and they were smart enough to see that issue. You cannot gheal through a heal debuff you have to cleanse or st heal. When there is no debuff multiple healers can just gheal though.

This is not to critizes you or anything, but it might also partly be down to the class you play and its very dot heavy style of dmg. I don't have that big a problem with killing, compared to T1, but I play WE and Choppa.

[Jayzboi]

LF Free butcher gear please.

[Telen]

Can burst down healers without a heal debuff just need stronger dps tbh if u have enough whs or Wes ain't no amount of guard gonna keep them up

Unfortunately the extra dps thats needed due to no debuffs to burst through a guard and heal spam will see all the dps eating aoe that you have to counter with more healers. Again leading to most healers win.