Oppression, day after day

[knick]

Spoiler:

Duuude, you are biased. Let me tell you the truth.
IB is weaker than BG.
SM and BO are equal.
Kodbs is better than Chosen.
White Lion is better than Marauder.
Slayer is better than Choppa.
BW is better than Sorc.
Engi is better than Magus.
WH was weaker than WE...with the recent buff is way better in wb play. I would say equal now.
Runepriest and Zealot are equal.
WP is better than DoK.
SW and SH equal - msh is better aoe, mSW is better ST, and equal too as ranged
ArchMage and Shaman are equal - the only advantage of shammy is its small model size.
I count 6 order class that are better than destro counterpart, and 2-3 destro which are better than order ones. That is.

Wow this is the truth? Absolute mind-blowing. We can stop all balancing discussion because we found the final answer.
Not arguments and evidence just this>that

[teiloh]

Ranged SH was severely underpowered and they buffed it reasonably. Dont like the ranged KD order? well deal with it, Destro has had to deal with your multiple ranged KDs for a long time now. The damage is decent, it has a few good finishers, but nothing the Ranged SW doesnt have. Compared to Sorc or BW the burst damage is way inferior. The ranged KD and of course heal debuff coupled with decent damage now make it worthy of a group slot. So yeah, i'd say SW and RSH are about where they need to be. Try getting crit by 1000+ per tick by a triple Broadhead arrow stack that is AoE.

Ranged SH was never underpowered, there was only a problem of terrible players. A class that can do high burst from range while keeping people constantly heal debuffed is not underpowered. It just lacked some AOE, which is a problem lots of classes face.

RSH getting RKD makes no sense; the class is already 2x overloaded with CC, mobility and escape tools. It has more than SW + WL combined. Order has RKD and Destro has the far superior AOE KDs - guess which got one-way mirrored.

[Ysaran]

Choppa is better than Slayer. Chop Fasta >. Rampage is overrated.

And you kiss your mother with those lips?!?!

[engharat]

Spoiler:

Duuude, you are biased. Let me tell you the truth.
IB is weaker than BG.
SM and BO are equal.
Kodbs is better than Chosen.
White Lion is better than Marauder.
Slayer is better than Choppa.
BW is better than Sorc.
Engi is better than Magus.
WH was weaker than WE...with the recent buff is way better in wb play. I would say equal now.
Runepriest and Zealot are equal.
WP is better than DoK.
SW and SH equal - msh is better aoe, mSW is better ST, and equal too as ranged
ArchMage and Shaman are equal - the only advantage of shammy is its small model size.
I count 6 order class that are better than destro counterpart, and 2-3 destro which are better than order ones. That is.

Wow this is the truth? Absolute mind-blowing. We can stop all balancing discussion because we found the final answer.
Not arguments and evidence just this>that

Eheh anytime someone tries to synthetize complex reasonings in few lines, there will be a big amount of approximation. I will not argument the content of my list, because it is all already written in other posts. Feel free to think differently

[Charon]

I agree that Order has been underpopulated compared to destro for the last few weeks and in general for the last few months outside of NA primetime.

However, I do feel that order has some good leaders and good guilds running and flipping and taking zones and keeps isn't as big an issue except for when the populations are way out of balance. I would say it seems like destro has more skirmishers. When I play on my destro character, it feels like a much bigger struggle to find organized warbands to join and an overall lack of coordination.

I sometimes hear from others that play both sides that the destro toons are more fun, especially tanks and melee dps, but also classes like shaman. Plus with the recent Squig Herder buffs, there are probably a lot of people checking that out. And order, as has been the case for a long time, is usually lacking in tanks, melee dps, and healers.

I wish people would switch to the side with the lower pop to help balance things out, but outside of the AAO bump, there isn't much incentive for people to do that. It isn't much fun playing on Sundays with Warhost vs Vanguard numbers.

It's not just that the Dest classes are funner to play, they are in most cases BETTER (which in turn makes them funner) add to that Dest classes synergize better and it's no wonder people are flipping over to Dest. Hell even most of my guild (including my guild leader) were playing Dest most of last week and all weekend for the 2x exp. What I have heard across the board was the Dest counterparts were a better/stronger class (which I have been hearing the more I talk with Xrealmers). I am 100% Order but it gets discouraging when you continue to see the opposition getting buffs (holy crap OPed SHs) while the Order classes are either neglected (like the IB) or just nerfed for no reason (most recent was the WL pounce debacle)

Oh and beyond about 20%-40% AAO you are so severely outnumbered that the bump is meaningless because you are continually trounced.

And even with NA Primetime, the problem recently is NA Order is logging on to see most areas pushed in favor of Dest so we have to continually be on defense/Forts with little chance to push neutral zones in our favor. Hell once I logged on last week to see EVERY zone with at least a 100% AAO.

Duuude, you are biased. Let me tell you the truth.
IB is weaker than BG.
SM and BO are equal.
Kodbs is better than Chosen.
White Lion is better than Marauder.
Slayer is better than Choppa.
BW is better than Sorc.
Engi is better than Magus.
WH was weaker than WE...with the recent buff is way better in wb play. I would say equal now.
Runepriest and Zealot are equal.
WP is better than DoK.
SW and SH equal - msh is better aoe, mSW is better ST, and equal too as ranged
ArchMage and Shaman are equal - the only advantage of shammy is its small model size.
I count 6 order class that are better than destro counterpart, and 2-3 destro which are better than order ones. That is.

its not so simple and depends in which game modes particular classes you want to judge ..also do we assess classes per se or how they perform in group, what is more important raw dmg/heal output, access to important morales, utilities etc.

so let me fix it for you at least a bit.

bg >>>>> ib in allmost every game mode
sm >> Bo in st dmg train (but it strongly depends of situation and l2p) BO>>>>>Sm as a utility tank and in aoe dmg output ..also has better bomb morales like m3 and generally easier acces to morales bc self pomp
knight mostly = chosen especially after last tc update - there might be quarrel about it but they are quite close (chosen has more dmg, knight a bit more utilities but they also are not exact mirrors)
marauder > wl both in st and aoe mode ..i don't even consider checking the utilities/survivability part - but they are not exact mirrors so maybe this way msh > wl (utility and survivability is far better for msh wl has i think better aoe dmg and a bit st but losing also morale game)
sl..choppa it might be tricky it depends what you like more raw sl aoe or cc/buff ability of choppa .....i would say equal
BW > sorc in aoe and self utilities, sorc > bw in st and utility for pt
magus > eng still its like in sl..chopa example... Raw dmg favours magus especially st (eng needs to properly select target to get clouse). Eng has a bit more utilities but they are mostly useless (outside m2 i think)
"WH was weaker than WE...with the recent buff is way better in wb play. I would say equal now." i agree with 1 part ..second i could not check ..i dont know wb which use this kind of utility wh ..but maybe its to early to asses that and i didn't look carefully enough
dok and wp this is next long quarrel ... but in hands of good players they are equal. Wp might have bigger raw heal output but dock cleans better (especially with bo in pt) also dps dok > dps wp and what is a bit surprise shield dok a bit > shield wp at least in small scale like rs
rp=zealot in heal, but zealot wins all the way morale and utilities game windsblock, tz taloon are one of most usefull morales in the game..what is more can provide much more absorbs which are really a thing in this game.
i will not asses am/sw and shamie/sh ..i dont know them well enough

and because easy access to cooldown reduction provided by BO and Choppa many of those classes works better in real party combat. Order access to a bit more crit does not balance that especially when destro is winning also morale game and mitigation aspect of the game and cc.

Its my biased perspective and i might be wrong but its general picture from order side.