Return of Reckoning

dansari wrote: Sat Aug 25, 2018 8:25 pm

theoddone wrote: Sat Aug 25, 2018 7:48 pm Have to say GoM argument is kinda funny.
Is GoM up all the time for mara's?
Oh wait, its a proc chance. But that argument is only viable with explaining that wrist slash tatic is not OP

Is negating my 900 weaponskill equivalent to decreasing your init by 80 and your ws by 120? Oh and mine's a tactic and yours is passive with a stance.... if you really want to get into specific tools.

Gravord wrote: Sat Aug 25, 2018 8:27 pm

dansari wrote: Sat Aug 25, 2018 8:25 pm

theoddone wrote: Sat Aug 25, 2018 7:48 pm Have to say GoM argument is kinda funny.
Is GoM up all the time for mara's?
Oh wait, its a proc chance. But that argument is only viable with explaining that wrist slash tatic is not OP

Is negating my 900 weaponskill equivalent to decreasing your init by 80 and your ws by 120? Oh and mine's a tactic and yours is passive with a stance.... if you really want to get into specific tools.

Which means nothing if you have skill and moral armor debuff because 0 armor non penetrated still mitigate 0 dmg

theoddone wrote: Sat Aug 25, 2018 8:36 pm

dansari wrote: Sat Aug 25, 2018 8:25 pm

theoddone wrote: Sat Aug 25, 2018 7:48 pm Have to say GoM argument is kinda funny.
Is GoM up all the time for mara's?
Oh wait, its a proc chance. But that argument is only viable with explaining that wrist slash tatic is not OP

Is negating my 900 weaponskill equivalent to decreasing your init by 80 and your ws by 120? Oh and mine's a tactic and yours is passive with a stance.... if you really want to get into specific tools.

I was not talking about spesifics. My point was that you made it sound like GoM is up all the time. It is not. Yet wrist slash is fine now because its a proc chance. Maybe it was only I that found that argumentation funny.
However, the balance forum is the perfect place if you want to make a proposal to change GoM.

Another funny thing tho... It was mentioned earlier how squishy an ASW is when glass cannon, low wounds etc. Which is a BS argument because its the same for every dps going glass cannon lol.

BUT there is nothing special about your 900 ws

dansari wrote: Sat Aug 25, 2018 8:53 pm

theoddone wrote: Sat Aug 25, 2018 8:36 pm

dansari wrote: Sat Aug 25, 2018 8:25 pm

Is negating my 900 weaponskill equivalent to decreasing your init by 80 and your ws by 120? Oh and mine's a tactic and yours is passive with a stance.... if you really want to get into specific tools.

I was not talking about spesifics. My point was that you made it sound like GoM is up all the time. It is not. Yet wrist slash is fine now because its a proc chance. Maybe it was only I that found that argumentation funny.
However, the balance forum is the perfect place if you want to make a proposal to change GoM.

Another funny thing tho... It was mentioned earlier how squishy an ASW is when glass cannon, low wounds etc. Which is a BS argument because its the same for every dps going glass cannon lol.

BUT there is nothing special about your 900 ws

Of course it's not up all the time. And neither is Wrist Slash. So my point stands: is your core passive with stance negating thousands of weaponskill equivalent to me negating your init by 80 with a tactic (b/c that's really what you're complaining about regarding ASW)?

Sure, ASW is similar to other dps glass cannon. Why do you only acknowledge its damage then, and not its weaknesses?

dansari wrote: Sat Aug 25, 2018 9:13 pm lol 1v1 comparison was the basis of this discussion. I would only prefer to focus on 6v6 viability, but you're forcing us to talk about how GoM and Wrist Slash proc similarly, and let's give an official shout out to Gravord showing how 2 players is better than 1.

What weakness do you perceive each mdps faces, and how is ASW better than each?

dansari wrote: Sat Aug 25, 2018 8:53 pm

theoddone wrote: Sat Aug 25, 2018 8:36 pm

dansari wrote: Sat Aug 25, 2018 8:25 pm

Is negating my 900 weaponskill equivalent to decreasing your init by 80 and your ws by 120? Oh and mine's a tactic and yours is passive with a stance.... if you really want to get into specific tools.

I was not talking about spesifics. My point was that you made it sound like GoM is up all the time. It is not. Yet wrist slash is fine now because its a proc chance. Maybe it was only I that found that argumentation funny.
However, the balance forum is the perfect place if you want to make a proposal to change GoM.

Another funny thing tho... It was mentioned earlier how squishy an ASW is when glass cannon, low wounds etc. Which is a BS argument because its the same for every dps going glass cannon lol.

BUT there is nothing special about your 900 ws

Of course it's not up all the time. And neither is Wrist Slash. So my point stands: is your core passive with stance negating thousands of weaponskill equivalent to me negating your init by 80 with a tactic (b/c that's really what you're complaining about regarding ASW)?

Sure, ASW is similar to other dps glass cannon. Why do you only acknowledge its damage then, and not its weaknesses?

Gravord wrote: Sat Aug 25, 2018 11:15 pm

dansari wrote: Sat Aug 25, 2018 8:53 pm

theoddone wrote: Sat Aug 25, 2018 8:36 pm

I was not talking about spesifics. My point was that you made it sound like GoM is up all the time. It is not. Yet wrist slash is fine now because its a proc chance. Maybe it was only I that found that argumentation funny.
However, the balance forum is the perfect place if you want to make a proposal to change GoM.

Another funny thing tho... It was mentioned earlier how squishy an ASW is when glass cannon, low wounds etc. Which is a BS argument because its the same for every dps going glass cannon lol.

BUT there is nothing special about your 900 ws

Of course it's not up all the time. And neither is Wrist Slash. So my point stands: is your core passive with stance negating thousands of weaponskill equivalent to me negating your init by 80 with a tactic (b/c that's really what you're complaining about regarding ASW)?

Sure, ASW is similar to other dps glass cannon. Why do you only acknowledge its damage then, and not its weaknesses?

Do you really put in same line proc on stance you dont want to go or you loose whole dmg vs insane proc on base spam ability that you get right off the bat in every fight?

As for debuffing ASW armor, we gonna pretend here that assault stance doesnt double armor talis value and you can beat tanks on it easily while still having mad dps stats on double buffed WS, INI and str cap, while making your target +50% more to be crit?